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A car that won on its first GP outing and a further 3 times in a 12 GP season
Team and WDC titles the following year with another 5 GPs out of 12
Only 2 GP wins in its 3rd season but still competitive and in its 4th season gave the WDC his first season win before the 1970 car was ready.
Madames et Messieurs I give you the Lotus Ford 49
Give me a freakin' break Glue' :rolleyes: That rig was getting punked regularly in the second half of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
17 races started 8 wins.
Ferrari won 15 out of 17 races in the 2002 season ;)
The 1988 McLaren Honda or the 2002 Ferrari... I am not sure which one was more dominant.
FW14B - the apex of F1 techology and assorted gizmos and driver aids.
Lotus 79 - a game changer in car design.
MP 4/4 is a strange one. Always hailed in high esteem by the fans but has its critics notably having the two best drivers driving it and IIRC nothing special from a technical POV as they had been evolutions and grand ideas refined by the designers.
I don't think it was as great in the first third of 2009. Toyota chickened out on winning the Bahrain GP and RBR were dominant in China.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Giacomo Rappaccini
:laugh: I knew that post was going to ruffle some feathers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Giacomo Rappaccini
The Alfa Romeo 158/159/159M cars were both very good-looking and quite dominating, traits not necessarily found in the same machine. The various Maserati 250F types and the Vanwalls were both very successful cars and also very attractive, unlike the eyesores of the last too many decades.
However, the "best ever" -- a typically empty, meaningless forum-speak phrase if there ever was one -- F1 car as regards to influence should go, hands down, to a line of cars already mentioned: the Coopers that began appear in 1957 as novelties and by the 1960 season had completely changed the game.
Same could be said for the F2002. Both quite conservatively engineered, just very very well executed. I can't really decide which one of those two was the best, statistically winning 15 out of 16 is better than winning 15 out of 17 and the MP4/4 was never outraced either so the McLaren it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
I dunno, but with a proper reliability the MP4-20 would have been as dominant as the F2004 the year before...Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfa Fan
To each his own ;) I think that the phrase "Both conservatively engineered" dose the F2002 a bit of an injustice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malbec
Here is an interesting read from a source I hold in very high regard.
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One of the key aims during the design of the F2002 was a dramatic weight increase and the lowering of the centre of gravity, targeting more freedom for the race engineers to move ballast around to improve the ballast of the car. The chassis was completely new, both in terms of shape, which is a result of the car's aerodynamic development programme, and in terms of construction which has resulted in a considerable weight saving.
The suspension and steering system also underwent a major revision. Rory Byrne said at the launch: "There is a fundamentally new power steering system to comply with the new 2002 regulations forbidding the use of electronically controlled power steering. Again, a prototype version has been successfully tested on the F2001. Both front and rear suspension have been revised to maximise the performance of the Bridgestone tyres. The inboard end of the rear suspension has been completely revised to optimise the rear end aerodynamics. Almost all of the suspension components have been refined and many have been manufactured using new materials and manufacturing methods in order to reduce weight. "
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In essence this was by far the best Ferrari ever designed. In the 15 races it was fielded during 2002, the car won 14, 10 times in second place and another third place finish. The only race that was not won that year was the Grand Prix of Monaco, where Schumacher finished second to David Coulthard's McLaren. /-/ The new Ferrari was launched on 6 Februari, at 11am, in the 'Nuova Meccanica' pavillion at Ferrari HQ in Maranello. It was the start of an extremely successful season for the Scuderia, with a car that would eventually improve on the McLaren MP4-4 as the most dominating car (Senna and Prost gathered 199 points together and won 15 out of 16 races in a single season).
Ferrari F2002 - F1technical.net
Using the Pomeroy Index system, Motor Sport magazine recently determined that the F2002 is the fastest Formula One car of all time.
McCabism: The Pomeroy Index
This exercise all in all is a subjective comparison, and I say: "viva la difference" Both cars were incredibly successful, but I would definately give the edge to McLaren in terms of pilot talent. :beer: :cool: