Do You Know the Real Islam?

Why the **** should I care about the islam and it's people? It's just hypocrite and troublesome folk here in The Netherlands. Especially the children, they're having a big mouth and they're always seeking trouble. Also don't forget when you're gay in Iran you'll get the death penalty by hanging. It's a stupid religion, and it's causing more trouble then that it's doing good things for this world. I don't have a religion, but I prefer Christian or Catholic instead of being a ****ing beast.

Sorry if people don't like my comment, but it's how I see the most muslims are doing nowadays in The Netherlands. Luckily I live in a good town where you can't find those young trouble seekers, but in the big cities you can see those stupid trouble seekers in every street. It's not that I hate every muslim, on the contrary, I'm having friends which are muslim, but I really dislike the religions' rules and the lots of ****ty youth in the cities here.

Oh dear, that didn't take long :rolleyes:

Koz: "you fellows" = all 1.5 billion of them, or just the extremists you see on the news ?
schu: all 1,5 billion muslim = trouble seekers or ****ing beasts, or just those in your neighbourhood, who happen to be muslims?

Peace and tolerance dammit!

What the Donks said. :)


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Originally Posted by donKey jote

Oh dear, that didn't take long :rolleyes:

Koz: "you fellows" = all 1.5 billion of them, or just the extremists you see on the news ?
schu: all 1,5 billion muslim = trouble seekers or ****ing beasts, or just those in your neighbourhood, who happen to be muslims?

Peace and tolerance dammit!

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Peace yes.

Tolerance?

Do we have to tolerate religion?

If a religious leader has the blood of millions of HIV victims on his hands because he tells them not to use condoms, should we tolerate it?
If a religion executes homosexuals by stoning, should we tolerate it?
If a religion forces women to hide their faces, should we tolerate it?
If a religion tells people not to think for themselves because it has all the answers, should we tolerate it?

you're not tarring all religious people with a single brush now are you?

I doubt you'll find anybody as staunchly atheist as myself, but that doesn't mean I need to be an ass about it ;)

Beneath the religion there are people, and they can be good and bad.

Tolerance for good people, yes. Tolerance also for all those who want to live their lies (no typo ;) ) in peace. It will also make you a better person.

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

you're not tarring all religious people with a single brush now are you?

I doubt you'll find anybody as staunchly atheist as myself, but that doesn't mean I need to be an ass about it ;)

Beneath the religion there are people, and they can be good and bad.

Tolerance for people, yes. Tolerance for all those who want to live their lies in peace. It will also make you a better person.

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Do you not think that the moderate majority of a religion acts as a 'smokescreen' for the extremists?

Where do we draw the line with tolerance?

Why should we tolerate a ritual animal sacrafice that causes the animal to suffer?
Why should a company tolerate religious dress that violates company dress code?
Why should we tolerate a Bed and Breakfast that refuses to allow homosexual couples to stay?

No, I don't.
Extremists often use religion as an excuse. Slight difference.
Banning religions won't get rid of extremists, they'll simply find other excuses.

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Where do we draw the line with tolerance?

Why should we tolerate a ritual animal sacrafice that causes the animal to suffer?
Why should a company tolerate religious dress that violates company dress code?
Why should we tolerate a Bed and Breakfast that refuses to allow homosexual couples to stay?

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part 2 ;) :p

who's "we" ?
never said "you" should.

do these things you mention seriously affect you, or are you simply using them as a smokescreen for your anti-religion tirade ?
There is no single line to draw on tolerance, and everyone has their own lines.

As for your examples, in my view:
-depends on the ritual... if you mean fox hunting I'd tend to say "we" shouldn't. But if you mean halal I don't see why not, unless you're also a staunch vegan.
-depends on whether the company uses dress code to target unwanted individuals, or if the individuals are using their religious dress code to target the company
-depends on their reason to refuse, or on the couple's reason to stay.

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

No, I don't.
Extremists often use religion as an excuse. Slight difference.
Banning religions won't get rid of extremists, they'll simply find other excuses.

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Would the Pope have found another excuse to tell Africans not to use condoms if he didn't have religion?