Hope Renault will build Clio for this class.
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Hope Renault will build Clio for this class.
Lets put first here the public sources for this new formula.
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MaxRally | News | Cheaper Super 2000 category planned
Cheaper Super 2000 category planned
24th July 2011
By Charlie Contadeli
The new-generation Super 2000 cars will be half the price of a current version according to Peugeot Sport’s Bertrand Vallat.
Vallat, who is responsible for the French make’s hugely successful 207 model, revealed that Peugeot and Skoda are in discussions with the FIA, motorsport’s world governing body, regarding the new technical regulations for 2013.
In an interview with respected radio reporter Colin Clark, Vallat said: “Skoda and Peugeot are talking with the FIA for a new car from 2013. It will be a standard car with a 1.6 turbo based on a future model. We are trying to cut the technical cost by half. It will be a big challenge to reduce this cost but we will be working hard with the FIA to achieve this. The category could be good."
The current Super 2000 rules were introduced in 2006. If the cost-cutting plans reach fruition then the new-era S2000 machine could cost approximately 100,000 Euros.
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The gpweek story tells that the new formula will be based on current R3 rules and a 1.6 turbo engine must be used which imo suggests that the engine can be taken from another model.
The maxrally story tells that “It will be a standard car with a 1.6 turbo based on a future model” which in turn suggests that the production model must have a 1.6 GDI turbo engine.
I wish it would be a single supplier engine.
I don’t think there are so many makes currently that have a 1.6 GDI turbo engine. Citroen DS3/C4, Peugeot 207/308 and Ford Focus are all I know about.
If the new formula cars should be ready at the beginning of 2013, FIA should publish the rules as early as possible. One year and four months is quite short time to develop and test a new car.
MINI could use the PSA motor as well, correct? I'd much rather see makers start with their own factory standard motor, though a single supplier may cost less.
--> Old F: Yes there is a difference btw the two news stories, almost from GrR to GrN as the startcar.
Hopefully FIA will decide on their own this time, and not get pushed by PSA into something that will get too expensive. Imo the cost issue need to be one of the top priorities constructing this class !
Suddenly the price almost doubled. GP Week page 17/18. PSA thinks people have more money than they do - pls keep is simple and affordable !
The name R4T also seem to reappear, so maybe that is the real thing, or it is just a GPWeek name ?
It’s big difference between 100 000 € and 170 000 €. 100 000 € for a special built 4WD car is imo unrealistic which is not the half of a S2000s price.
But as Quesnel said “We want the finished car to cost half of the 2-litre NA S2000 cars - say 170 000 euros – not only at start of the formula but to continue to be available at the level into the future“.
Remember that Mirek once said that the Skoda with tarmac spec is about 235 000 €. A median about 140 000 € is imo more realistic.
The Fiesta RRC is also pretty expensive: http://www.fiestarrc.com/index.php/c...17f/no_html,1/
Not sure how many of these that will run in national series, so maybe the R4T is the logical answer for a national top class, if you want more than 5 cars to compete.
On page 2 at the end of “Package options”:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
“All three packages include all conversion items to change specification of vehicle to the WRC variant.”
On page 3, “WRC conversion kit”:
“All Regional Rally Cars are supplied in WRC specification with the conversion kit to change the setup of the car to it’s Regional Rally Car Variant. The conversion kit compromises of:
- 30mm Turbo Restrictor
- RRC Front Bumper Assembly
- RRC Rear Tailgate & Spoiler
- RRC Flywheel & Bolts
- Spigot Bearing
- RRC Intercooler Intake Duct”
Whichever is it? A RRC to WRC or a WRC to RRC. Anyway I interpret this that those prices are also the prices of a Fiesta WRC. M-Sport is not selling a WRC car or a RRC car but both in same package?
Any news on development on this new class ?
Have they gotten closer on agreeing on the tech regs ?
AFAIK regs will be revealed for public at December. At least Peugeot 208 and I believe also Škoda (Fabia?) are under development. I think that 208 is based on machinery of DS3 R3T.