Compulsive liars.

In all fairness to Bill Clinton, the "did you have sex..." question came up during a deposition. If you find yourself subpoenaed to a deposition you don't want to participate in, the fun is to make it as long and a painfull process for the other side as possible. The Clinton side asked the other side to define what they considered "having sexual relations" specifically and in writing. Once presented with the list and definitions, the question was put to Clinton again about "Did you have sex with this woman?" Much to the delight of the Clintonites, that particular act had been left off the the investigator's list of specified acts and Clinton was able to honestly answer no to the question. Clinton didn't lie, the investigators dropped the ball.

This was during my school days. This guy used to try really hard to come off as a Casanova, and I mean it was like his life depended on making people believe how many girlfriends he has and how many of them he has slept with. Well, of course nobody believed him, since nobody ever saw him with one. In fact I told him I don't believe a word he says. He gets pissed off and says "Come with me, and I'll introduce you to my girlfriend." Takes me to another school in his car, sits outside the gate waiting for them to finish so they can come out, spots one girl out of the crowd and the conversation went something like this:

Guy: Hey beautiful, you look lovely today.

Girl: F*** Off.

Guy: [To me] See?

Me: :\

Apparently the victims of his disastrous teasing were somehow in his mind, his "girlfriends". I don't know if this guy was a compulsive liar or simply effing deluded.

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

This was during my school days. This guy used to try really hard to come off as a Casanova, and I mean it was like his life depended on making people believe how many girlfriends he has and how many of them he has slept with. Well, of course nobody believed him, since nobody ever saw him with one. In fact I told him I don't believe a word he says. He gets pissed off and says "Come with me, and I'll introduce you to my girlfriend." Takes me to another school in his car, sits outside the gate waiting for them to finish so they can come out, spots one girl out of the crowd and the conversation went something like this:

Guy: Hey beautiful, you look lovely today.

Girl: F*** Off.

Guy: [To me] See?

Me: :\

Apparently the victims of his disastrous teasing were somehow in his mind, his "girlfriends". I don't know if this guy was a compulsive liar or simply effing deluded.

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It sounds like he lied to you. That said this kinda conversation could have taken place between me and some of women I have actually been close with. :\

I know someone who claims to wander around Europe brandishing an illegal firearm at drunken revellers claiming it's his human rights to do so.

The Jury is out on whether he's a liar or serious criminal :laugh:

Every and each politician ;)

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Originally Posted by pino

Every and each politician ;)

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Speaking of which pino, I'm curious about what the Italians actually think about Berlusconi? What's the general consensus on him? Do the majority like him? Has he actually done good things? Or is it just like it seems from the outside, that he's an embarrassment to the country, especially with the new prostitution scandal, and people can't wait until he finishes his term?

Berlusconi is as as bad as any other politician from any other country ;)

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Originally Posted by pino

Berlusconi is as as bad as any other politician from any other country ;)

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I'm not sure I would agree with that. I would place him on a pedestal far, far above any other politician I can think of in the Western world in terms of standards of conduct. Compulsive liar, though? Compulsive crook, maybe, but not sure about liar.

Great thread, fascinating subject!

I know two people who could be described as compulsive liars.. and another who is more of an exagerator.

The first one I'll just call G is a middle aged, balding, spectacles wearing, Phil Collins look-alike, 5ft 2, alleged close friend of boxer Scot Harrison and Johnny 'Mad Dog' Adair. A fantastic talker, very convincing, at least until you get to know him by cross referencing the story with last time he told it. Succesfull, owns his own business and he definately has the gift of the gab. The last 'fib' I can recall him telling was of his visit to Amsterdam and having a long chat with Jackie Chan whilst having a smoke in a coffee shop :D His group of 'Casuals' then got involved in a fight with some Rockers? iirc hospitalised one and threw two others into a canal. Everyone knows he is talking BS, he must know that everyone knows it too yet no-one ever calls him on it..??? probably because listening to his tall stories is just so intertaining.

The other is very different, more of a fantasist perhaps? Here is an extract from the newspaper of his funniest 'escapade'

Rejected recruit's bizarre fantasy life

By Bart Dickson

A JOBLESS fisherman dubbed Dumbo Cop for posing as a policeman was warned to behave himself yesterday.

Steven Muir faked a warrant card, went out 'on patrol' and lectured youngsters about drugs.

But the 21-year-old's fantasy life ended when he drove into a seafront car park with a toy siren blaring from the roof of his G-reg Ford Fiesta.

A group of kids he ticked off for alleged misbehaviour were suspicious of the red and blue siren, which could be set to sound like a police car, fire engine or ambulance.

They told their parents and Muir, whose bid to become a cop had been rejected, was arrested.

His offences took place between April last year, when his application to the police was thrown out, and December.

Ayr sheriff Colin Miller was told yesterday that Muir, who admitted three charges of impersonating a police officer, had become a target of ridicule.

He was barely able to leave his home in Ballantrae, Ayrshire.

Deferring sentence for six months, Sheriff Miller said: 'I understand you have not enjoyed the attention you have received and you appear to have been nicknamed Dumbo Cop.

'I am sure that you will have learned from this. I am satisfied this was just a piece of stupidity.'

The court heard that before Muir was caught with the fake siren in Girvan, he went into a school playground and accused a group of youngsters of smoking cannabis.

After showing them his fake warrant card, he delivered a lecture on the dangers of drugs.

Muir's lawyer, Andrew Munro, said: 'Mr Muir comes from a good family background.

'Although he is not working, there is the prospect of some work on his stepfather's boat in the near future. I think we can say he has learned his lesson.'

Outside court, Muir moaned he had been living as a recluse.

He said: 'I haven't been out of the house because of the stick I've been getting. I can't even go out for a quiet pint.'

A friend said: 'Steven has always wanted to join the police but was knocked back. I don't think he meant serious harm.'


:D :D :D



I wonder what the underlying psychological reasons for these traits must be? The first example above is more obvious but with the fake cop you would have no idea if you met him that he could have had this alter-ego or attempted to live out this fantasy...

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Originally Posted by pino

Berlusconi is as as bad as any other politician from any other country ;)

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or as "good as" any...."sex, lies and politicans" has always gone together for various reasons...

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Originally Posted by Hondo

In all fairness to Bill Clinton, the "did you have sex..." question came up during a deposition. If you find yourself subpoenaed to a deposition you don't want to participate in, the fun is to make it as long and a painfull process for the other side as possible. The Clinton side asked the other side to define what they considered "having sexual relations" specifically and in writing. Once presented with the list and definitions, the question was put to Clinton again about "Did you have sex with this woman?" Much to the delight of the Clintonites, that particular act had been left off the the investigator's list of specified acts and Clinton was able to honestly answer no to the question. Clinton didn't lie, the investigators dropped the ball.

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actually as I recall, it came up during the Paula Jones deposition, when he said he did not have sex with Monica. Then later there was some of the stuff you reference. In any event, he was charged with perjury and came close, very close being impeached and removed from office. Subsequently, he was disbarred in various courts for having committed perjury and so forth, some of which that was the result of some plea type bargaining.

He made two big mistakes:
First he had a relationship with a woman who had bad hygiene and did not wash her clothes, so there was this dried up semen deposit that provided proof that monica was not a fibber.....unlike with the many others who claimed he had been having relationships (and there were many others, but they all struck me as the type of you got to give some "...." to get ahead......, and were very happy and willing to please, but then afterwards, wanted more) but had little hard core proof of the irrebutual type.

Second, he should have just said, "guys, do you know how long I been married to Hilary??? Do you have any idea what that is really like??"

I mean think about it, what man would not have wanted desperately "to wander" as well? On this point, I would have said, "yep, i understand, it is called the defense of necessity and you be free to go Brother Bill, but next time just find a woman who cleans her clothes or be a little more careful about where stuff goes....."

(but if you watch him now, it is as though he enver ever had any of these problems, just so smooth...whereas bush,Jr. often strikes me as having this sort of guilty look or way about him...)