British policy of multiculturalism is a failure, contributing to Islamist extremism

I think that Islam doesn't lend itself well to "multiculturalism" simply because it is embraced and used as a form of government and not simply a religion.

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Originally Posted by markabilly

or so say the British PM...

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'Nuff said :p

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Originally Posted by Dave B

The only failure of multiculturalism was this crazy notion that we're all the same. When I were a lad (and we used to have to cycle 20 mile up t'hill for t'Hovis) this stupidity was forced on us with the result that we didn't make the effort to learn about the subtle and not-so-subtle differences between our races. When it turned out that there were cultural and religious differences, as is only natural, we were ill-placed to understand the nuances which led to a culture of resentment.

If we accept, nay embrace, the differences and make efforts to understand each other then "multiculturalism" is fine and dandy for all concerned.

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Originally Posted by Hondo

I think that Islam doesn't lend itself well to "multiculturalism" simply because it is embraced and used as a form of government and not simply a religion.

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But, then again, you could say the very same thing about other forms of religious-based governments around the world.
"Monoculturalism" is just as problematic, as the insular nature of those within have a very constant ability to feign 'temporary amnesia' when it comes to missteps and bad choices taken, all in the name of keeping the nation 'pure'.

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Originally Posted by Dave B

We've had this come up before, and the "Islamic" courts you refer to are actually panels of community elders who make non-binding (but generally respected) rulings on civil matters and on domestic cases. Now, one might argue that should a domestic case involve violence it should be dealt with by the police. But consider that most cases collapse long before they ever reach court, it's actually better that the community deals with them than the legal system sweeping them under the carpet.

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Also, if the two parties involved in these courts don't like the verdict they can always do what other people do with similar systems, appeal to a higher court.

Its also strange that people really don't seem to have a problem with Jews using a similar court system to sort their disputes out but if Muslims do it, OMG its the end of the world as we know it. Jews have been using their own courts in the UK for 100 years. The Muslims have finally caught up. I think we'll survive....

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Yet more evidence of Cameron's epic dingleberriness.

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It was an appallingly written speech that tried to address multiculturalism and extremism focusing solely on Muslims. Not a single mention of the EDL or BNP which have become increasingly more powerful over the past few years. Nor was their any attempt to examine the complexities of the Muslim community which is drawn from several continents and very different cultures and practices. It really won't go down as one of his best speeches, or perhaps it was one of those odd times where he says silly things to keep the Daily Mail crowd paying their Tory party membership fees.

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Originally Posted by markabilly

but as dunnel said, we europeans have this thing about not being paranoid morons...well my oh my...if Bush had said such a thing, it is easy to imagine all the bloody outrage around here, name calling and such.....

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For crying out loud, markabilly. What a nonsensical statement. I disagree vehemently with what Cameron had to say about multiculturalism. What makes you think I wouldn't?

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Originally Posted by Dylan H

It was an appallingly written speech that tried to address multiculturalism and extremism focusing solely on Muslims. Not a single mention of the EDL or BNP which have become increasingly more powerful over the past few years. Nor was their any attempt to examine the complexities of the Muslim community which is drawn from several continents and very different cultures and practices. It really won't go down as one of his best speeches, or perhaps it was one of those odd times where he says silly things to keep the Daily Mail crowd paying their Tory party membership fees.

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While, at the same time, describing his new position as 'liberalism', presumably in an effort to suggest that the Tories' delightful coalition partners are fully behind his views. It was a speech that managed the unusual distinction of being almost devoid of genuine content, consisting instead of a series of meaningless right-wing generalisations and platitudes, while being extremely offensive.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

For crying out loud, markabilly. What a nonsensical statement. I disagree vehemently with what Cameron had to say about multiculturalism. What makes you think I wouldn't?

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BDunnell, might I suggest you resist the bait ;)

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Originally Posted by markabilly

and now from the former PM, John Howard of the "down under" on october 2010, has joined ranks, says

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John Howard should remember the history of his own damn country, and keep his fool mouth shut.

Australia's "monoculturalism" with the White Australia policy, caused the Japanese delegates to walk out of League of Nations talks with regards the preamble to the Covenant for the League of Nations.
The Japanese wanted to insert a racial equality clause into the preamble of the Covenant for the League of Nations and whilst the other nations officially said nothing, they were quite happy for Australia and the then PM to play the role of the ignorant patsy. Billy Hughes refused to have the racial equality clause inserted into the preamble and as such, the Japanese delegates took that as a very strong racially based snub.
The snub probably in part helped to fuel Japan's hostility towards "Western" powers; and ultimately one of the causes of WW2.

"This is a time not to apologize for our particular identity but rather to firmly and respectfully and robustly reassert it,"
Australia's blatant and open racism in the past was quite frankly a disgusting blob on the history of the nation. Thankfully, Mr Howard will become more of an irrelevance as time passes.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

For crying out loud, markabilly. What a nonsensical statement. I disagree vehemently with what Cameron had to say about multiculturalism. What makes you think I wouldn't?

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Did not say you agreed or not, but those were your words announcing the "we europoeans" are not paranoid morons, and all I can say is that right now, I can count two of the them, the PM for Germany and the PM for GB....and of course there is John Howard.......