Las Vegas Second Cup Race

Martinsville destroys Vegas and California, end of that story...

The Vegas race was decent, and is further proof that the multi-purpose mildly banked ovals for open wheel racing are awful for NASCAR.

Nevertheless, the 1.5 and 2.0 mile oval syndrome that plagues NASCAR(thanks to the mistaken belief that open wheel racing was a potential moneymaker) needs to be killed off for good.

Tracks like Atlanta and Charlotte provided(still do) great racing for decades, but the thrill has been lost with weak pretenders like the low banked Chicago, Kansas, Las Vegas, and Texas(a little better) speedways.

California was never any better than a ******* version of the significantly higher banked Michigan, which was interesting for its variety, since dilluted.

Realizing this we've seen Homestead and now Las Vegas completely revamp their configurations, more or less copying the original succes of Charlotte and Atlanta, albeit with computer programs, simulations, and progressive banking.

Meanwhile, the great NASCAR tracks, Bristol, Richmond, Martinsville, Dover, etc, etc(some etc being lost, admittedly), soldier on drawing well despite being in such close proximity to each other(and others).

Full rant, I realize, but tear down P.O.S. tracks like California that hasn't put on a great race since CART, and build more 3/4-1 mile track. Don't fawn over a mediocre race at a track like Vegas that only seems impressive in the current watered down state of things.

Add more road courses while we're at it...heh.

I'd prefer to see more road course races than two on the schedule. Flat track racing is b-o-r-i-n-g. Second California is a waste of a date.

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Originally Posted by Sparky1329

I'd prefer to see more road course races than two on the schedule. Flat track racing is b-o-r-i-n-g. Second California is a waste of a date.

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Generally agree. If Nascar wants support in the NW for a track there, they should race at Portland for a couple of years. Wouldn't mind seeing the 2nd Cal date move to New Riverside if it ever gets built.
Can't really blame Cal Spdwy for not selling out, Nascar gave them two poor dates, middle of expected rainy season, and end of hot summers. If they offered me a super deal on Labor Day tickets (+50% off) I wouldn't go and I'm only about a hours drive down the freeway.

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Originally Posted by Hoss Ghoul

Martinsville destroys Vegas and California, end of that story...
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Surley you mean in youre opinion,you say this so matter of fact as if theres no doubt in the fact that you could be totally wrong.

I personally find martinsville to be the bore of the season,most of the passing being through pit strategy or the using the bump and run,i find this form of racing just one step above demolition derby racing.Give me two or three wide racing day at 180+ mph anyday.I say this only from the point of view of watching martinsville on tv,no doubt its more exctitng at the track (i'll be going to my first short track event in november at phoenix)

As regards road courses i think they should be dropped untill nascar learn how to use local caution yellow flags rather than full course cautions everytime theres the slightest of problems on one small area of the track.

the thing is, there is no two-or-three wide racing on cookie cutters unless its the start of the race or a restart. after that, I'm channel surfing for something else. Las Vegas was a bore, California was a bore. and for most of Atlanta, it will be a bore.

thank god for Bristol next week and the debut of the CoT :devil: :D :bounce:

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Originally Posted by harvick#1

the thing is, there is no two-or-three wide racing on cookie cutters unless its the start of the race or a restart. after that, I'm channel surfing for something else. Las Vegas was a bore, California was a bore. and for most of Atlanta, it will be a bore.

thank god for Bristol next week and the debut of the CoT :devil: :D :bounce:

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I thought Vegas had quite a lot of exciting 2 wide racing especially from about 5th place back.The battle between Steward,Newman and Ky.Busch for 7th,8th,9th over the last 5 laps was amazing even going 3 wide out of turn 2.
I agree the debut of the COT should be very interesting,would have preferred it to be at Talladega tho.

Bristol will be great COT or not. Bristol isn't the place to debut the car though, they're just going to wreck a rewcently built and limitidely available cars. they should be running the current cars just to eliminate rolling stock to guarantee full time COT in '08.

Dover, Dover should have two races a year, hold on........... it does, dohhhh

Wait, what about say, Bristol, that should have two races a year, I like that idea, doh.......... it does.

Errrr, I dunno, must admit, I did like the new Vegas track, but two races there a year will be one to many.

Don't wanna be controversial, but what about bring back DARLINGTON, I always enjoyed the racing from there. Doh, there is one, in MAY.

What we need is some more tracks, and a track without a precarious, tricky, dangerous pit row entry, cause they all have that, dont they?

Ha Ha.

Somewhat off the point i know but why ive been to vegas for past 3 years is the price and convenience.I can get relatively cheap direct flight from uk,3 day race weekend tickets from $99,motel room less than $40 a night and 3 day bus pass to the track for $40.I dont think there is a need to mention the nightlife!!
Are there any other race weekends that can be done for similar cheap price and convenience?
There are other tracks i'd love to go to like Dover but i've read about how difficult it is getting to and from the track.Ireally do think these factors should also be taken into account in deciding what tracks get two races.

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Originally Posted by jeffmr2

motel room less than $40 a night

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Where are you staying that's that cheap in Vegas? The cheapest on the Strip is Circus Circus, which goes from about $40 to $140 on race weekend, even the off Strip Motel 6, Easy 8, etc I've heard were $80-90 that weekend.