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Maybe being tongue-in-cheek is a particularly British thing, but I think Hamilton was trying it with his comments. You know, like those who suggested that Toyota and Glock - nudge nudge wink wink - helped the very same driver to his championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale
Nothing to see here apart from some weak journalism.
Tabloid newspaper creating storm in a teacup shocker :p :
Weak journalism is not a good enough excuse when you can see the man say it himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
But, supposing that your interpretation is correct, then how do we know that Alonso was not also "tongue-in-cheek" with his fist-waving?
Since we cannot see his facial expression, it would be unjust to criticise without being able to fully judge all context, no?
Of course, you may have decided already to "Hang 'Em High", but without full facts this is a very unsporting thing to do.
And, as your friend Mr Henners has pointed out before now, not being able to prove something is apparently as justifiable to a position of debate and as good as being able to prove it.
I fear, though, that he has just shot his own argument in the foot now.
At least this journalist has a proven quote to use, unlike others you have defended recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
How come you don't have a problem with weak journalism when it is really weak but suits your point of view?
He didn't say it was wrong. It's just a statement of facts. Presumably Mercedes GP or Force India would have done the same for him and he knows that..Quote:
Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale
Except that any reasonable person, seeing the video, would come to the conclusion that Hamilton was being tongue-in-cheek.Quote:
Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale
As I posted on the thread in chit-chat about the Twitter joke trial, it's difficult in print to relay the context.
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Originally Posted by Dave B
Fair point, although we did see his facial expression a couple of minutes later when he was in the garage (and for completeness sake, here's the link) - he certainly wasn't in a jocular mood at that point.Quote:
But, supposing that your interpretation is correct, then how do we know that Alonso was not also "tongue-in-cheek" with his fist-waving?
Since we cannot see his facial expression, it would be unjust to criticise without being able to fully judge all context, no?
A quote taken completely out of context, though. Sometimes I say "I could murder <someone>", with a big grin on my face, when they've just done something foolish. Take my words literally and I should probably be arrested.Quote:
Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale
You really need to try to understand the distinction. Printed media, tabloid rags especially, can distort the truth. Watch the video of Hamilton's interview again, then tell me he's being serious.
Also take into account the follow-up question, notable by its absence from the Mirror article:
Q) Do you really feel that Robert played a part in the championship?
A) No.
That's the most he has, but "Hamilton accuses Kubica of racing" wouldn't really have the same impact would it.Quote:
Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale
Well when he was not "tongue in cheek", he said straightaway that kubica drove nicely, and when a light moment came he said what tabloid mis-interpreted, And alonso has a habbit of doing such gestures..not his first time.
And you need to understand there is no distinction between what you accuse Fernando of and what the television proves Hamilton said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
None at all.
Only an unreasonable person would claim otherwise.