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Well we are sure as he'll gonna need those KERS systems to be a huge improvement on the current ones, otherwise just 650 ponies on tap is gonna be rather tame.
I welcome the ground effects debate, and turbo's but these cars need more power than grip so 1000bhp should be the target - fact. Pow!
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Originally Posted by Sonic
The ground effects this time around will be nothing like we saw in the 1980's. Anyone witnessing what happened when there was problem was able to see how dangerous the cars were.
And the drivers hated the cars because there was no feel or balance and it significantly reduced the driver usefulness.
The most vivid memory I have was watching during practice at Sunset Bend at the old Kyalami track. One of the skirts got stuck on the Williams and it literally flung Carlos Reutemann like a slingshot towards the catch fencing - how he managed to control that and literally slide all opposite locked back onto the track and drive around to the pits was amazing!
So this time with all the knowledge available the ground effects will hopefully allow cars to become pretty again including reducing the godawful ugly front wing arrangements we have today.
As well as permit close running without turbulence to allow drivers the chance to overtake when they have made the opportunity - MAYBE even the better driver in the lesser car will once again be able to beat the lesser driver iin the better car.
650HP?! Awful!
That will be the equivalent of when formula 1 had those 1.5L engines in the 60's. Very unspectacular. And not as challenging for the drivers.
More power and less grip is needed. And while they're at it, they should ditch the engine freeze and the rev limiter.
Whats the point of these overtaking working groups when they reduce the car power, which means lower straight line speeds, which mean smaller and less frequent braking zones, which mean less overtaking?
I feel they should've made the slicks bigger to give a greater mechanical contact patch rather than dabble with ground effect, to be honest.
Ground effects?
650 horsepower?
I think I know what they are trying to make.
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Originally Posted by call_me_andrew
As long as F1 doesn't copy their dildo replacement car, then I shouldn't be too concerned.
Yep 1000hp+ and no grip is what we want.
Absolutely. Sticking skirts and rock hard suspension made for a bumpy and dangerous ride :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
Although in a heavier, less advanced chassis, 650 hp is about what the current IRL car has - and it's less than what the next IRL car will have (assuming it ever sees the light of day). And at roughly the same weight/dimensions of an F1 car, the current GP2 car has close to 600 hp. Hopefully there's more to the story and 650 hp is just some sort of base that will be added to by the energy recovery systems. I don't see the cars becoming substantially lighter than they are now. So surely there's more in the bag that's being missed by this story.
Hoop98 or one of the engineers could speak to this better than I can, but at 1.6 liters and 650 hp, this isn't going to be a highly pressurized turbo engine, is it? I mean, it won't be anything like the crazy turbo engines we saw in the 80's. Would these things have any sort of meaningful torque? I know a fellow who has a 2.0 liter turbo in a street car and he's making well over 400 hp... and has over 30K miles on the engine. I don't know, but I guess I've just come to expect F1 engines to be from another planet. This one sounds like the guy next door (so far).
Well thats what the proposals state - the 650bhp is the basic engine with the KERS allowing up to another 180bhp.
But I doubt the 650 is going to be agreed to because as you note it will essentially place the f1 car at the GP2 level and that is ridiculous.
It would be better to allow turbo engines to reach 850 and then if we HAVE to be tortured by the goddam KERS allow another 150 to raise the level to 1000 bhp.
Make the cars somewhat too powerful for the chassis and THEN watch the good drivers come to the fore - I knew there was a reason why I have always like Tony Brooks's ideas on f1 :-]
And maybe a reasonable approach on ground effects will lead to less bits of aero on the above part of the car - even getting rid of the ugliest bloody front wings since the MARCH 701.