My thoughts about different classes

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Originally Posted by serial jeff

Absolutely. Tune the ECU, tear out the interior, and add a cage. Maybe not even a better suspension... back in the early 2000s, the standard suspension of the evo and wrx sti would be adequate to rally in, IMO. Though from what I've read, the STi has gone soft in the last couple years, but I don't know anything firsthand about that.

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You are not going to see even one(1) evo/sti at finish with normal gear/boxes and suspension.At gravel not even at the flying of 1st ss. :D

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Originally Posted by dimviii

You are not going to see even one(1) evo/sti at finish with normal gear/boxes and suspension.At gravel not even at the flying of 1st ss. :D

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Exactly . I was connected with a GrN Mazda 323 here back in the early 90's , and it had huge gearbox issues (standard gearbox back then)

A language doubt: can we establish a difference between standart and original?

To me, standart suspension or transmission are always special components, but equily provided to manufacturers by a single supllier, like S2000 gearboxes, very different to original parts.

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Originally Posted by urabus-denoS2000

Exactly . I was connected with a GrN Mazda 323 here back in the early 90's , and it had huge gearbox issues (standard gearbox back then)

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even at 2010 oem gear boxes can t cope reliably with +600nm.

Rally Power : Gearbox as in an normal road version Mazda 323 GTR ;)

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Originally Posted by dimviii

even at 2010 oem gear boxes can t cope reliably with +600nm.

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If we don't go the way of restrictor+hight pressure turbo+ALS+special racing fuel but no restrictor (or big one)+standard turbo+no ALS+stock fuel we won't have big problems using stock parts.

In my opinion Gr.N should be like that and if Mitsubishi or Subaru or whoever wants stronger production based 4x4 why not but in different class (same with S2000 at best).

By the way, Juha Kankkunen said in Finnish magazine Vauhdin Maailma that he is trying to convince people that WRC 1.6T should have around 350 HP and 50 kg less weight than nowadays. Let's hope Juha gets his will trough. ;)

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Originally Posted by dimviii

even at 2010 oem gear boxes can t cope reliably with +600nm.

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Subaru Cup in Norway are running standard/original gearbox and diffs. http://www.voldsund-motorsport.no/alias.html?id=1018631

...and the cup winner in 2009, Andreas Mikkelsen, also won the gr.N championship!

Cup cars are far from having 600 Nm, that was what Dimviii meant. But anyway in my opinion N4 should be more like those cup cars.

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Originally Posted by 'Mirek Fric [Cze

]Cup cars are far from having 600 Nm, that was what Dimviii meant. But anyway in my opinion N4 should be more like those cup cars.

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580 Nm they say, not that far away :) And I think with this years E85 fuel and 33mm restrictor they have more...