Yes but Hydrogen requires more energy to convert than just using plain electricity in battery form.
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Yes but Hydrogen requires more energy to convert than just using plain electricity in battery form.
By the way Daniel, I am not knocking what you are saying, but I am of the opinion if fusion was developed tomorrow, creating no waste, and was cost effective, someone would find fault with it.
It's looks like its going to be HydrogenQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
Hybrids are a stop-gap measure because of f***wit politicians advocating battery technology
Batteries are great where weight isn't an issue. IN a car, they are a HUGE issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
I am tired of the Prius owners too....they think they are saving the planet, whereas the only hybrids to me that make any sense on any level are the hybrid buses. Even they are not great. Toronto bought the TTC a bunch of Hybrid buses and a mechanic friend of mine who works there says they cost twice as much, don't get better mileage and are a pain to work on AND don't like Canadian Winters......
The Ford Focus Econetic, VW Polo BlueMotion, and even the MINI Cooper D all produce less tailpipe emissions than the Toyota Pius and are more fuel efficient. Heck even my 9 year old Ka in the real world is more fuel efficient than the Toyota Pius.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
The simple fact is that whatever technology happens to be decided on, ultimately it still has to be able to transport people (in this case in motor cars) which requires a certain amount of energy.
I would suspect that ever since about the beginning of the industrial revolution, industry generally causes a net usable energy deficit. That is, the amount of energy used is more that than the usable amount stored for future use, because ultimately we only have one net energy producer in the solar system and that is the sun.
Cant find fault with what you say sir. Excellent post as per usual.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
My Plants love CO2Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
The world's first Hybrid came from Porsche... yes... Porsche!
The Lohner-Porsche Mixte Hybrid was unveiled in 1901 and had a petrol engine engine which drove several electric motors:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...er_Porsche.jpg
Most plants do. That said, some people are bent out of shape about more CO2 ppm than there was before. They keep claiming it is a pollutant. I don't agree, but I would like to see unbiased research on the subject rather than the crap we have now. I also would like the greenies to get it into their head's their socialistic nonsense of killing cars, choking industry off and putting windmills up isn't going to solve the problem EVEN if it IS the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
There are 6 Billion plus people on this rock, and more of them are trying to live to a better standard than they had 20 years ago. Since when is the god given right of a bunch of limo liberals with a green bent to tell the emerging world to give up what we already have? Add in the fact that they wont be taking away what we have except out jobs and our money, and giving it to the emerging nations. OH and of course China, well it will do what the heck they want, because after all, they are China and they don't give a flying fidoo about the enviroment.
So all you guys who love your hybrids, keep on with your fantasy......
Here's the article I was thinking about.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/lifesty...rs-study-says/
I don't really see the point of hydrogen. Yes in some ways it's a better way than a plug in electric car because you don't have to wait for it to charge BUT, Hydrogen is not a fuel, it is only a way of storing energy so in a sense the hydrogen is basically a battery and AFAIK it takes more energy to produce x amount of energy in the form of hydrogen than it does in the form of just plain old electricity going into a battery. Plus water vapour is also a greenhouse gas as well so in theory it just makes the whole AGW thing worse.
Now you all know I'm not sold on AGW but I really feel that Hydrogen fuel cell cars are a dumb way of doing things.
IMHO work needs to be done to
A) Lighten cars
B) Improve regenerative braking systems so cars are more efficient
C) Produce more efficient drivetrains/powertrains
D) Improve charge times and battery technologies
E) Standardise batteries so when you go to the electric battery station on a long journey you can have your batteries swapped out in a similar amount of time to what it takes to refuel with petrol
F) Increase the amount of people working from home because a good deal of people don't physically need to be at work most of the time