Cosworth (finally) dispatch first engines to their teams

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14th January 2010, 20:15
RS

When Cosworth were last in with Williams they started very competitive but tailed off in the development race. Now development is not allowed, so I guess they will be ok.
14th January 2010, 20:48
ioan

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Originally Posted by henners88

I very much doubt we'll have a recurrence of Brawn engineers hacking large chunks out of the chassis to suit an unexpected powerplant.

Never happened, unless you think that adjusting a couple millimeters is large.
BTW according to Horner (that's what he said a few months ago) nowadays engines are so similar that you can wait until November/December to decide which engine you will use in a new F1 car.
14th January 2010, 21:25
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by ioan

Never happened, unless you think that adjusting a couple millimeters is large.
BTW according to Horner (that's what he said a few months ago) nowadays engines are so similar that you can wait until November/December to decide which engine you will use in a new F1 car.

A couple of millimetres here and there in the minutiae (sic) of precision F1 design is not insignificant!
14th January 2010, 21:41
Robinho

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Originally Posted by ioan

Never happened, unless you think that adjusting a couple millimeters is large.
BTW according to Horner (that's what he said a few months ago) nowadays engines are so similar that you can wait until November/December to decide which engine you will use in a new F1 car.

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"The chassis had the back six inches cut off to fit the engine in - the sort of thing you wouldn't normally do even with a test car," says my source. "And the gearbox was in the wrong place because the crank-centre height is different. There's a massive amount of compromise in the cars."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewben..._of_brawn.html

6 inches, couple of millimetres, nothing much in that. i expect "6 inches" is probably a slight exaggeration, but 150mm nonetheless, so even if it was only 100mm its still pretty significant, but hey..
14th January 2010, 21:57
ioan

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Originally Posted by Robinho

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewben..._of_brawn.html

6 inches, couple of millimetres, nothing much in that. i expect "6 inches" is probably a slight exaggeration, but 150mm nonetheless, so even if it was only 100mm its still pretty significant, but hey..

'Says my source' huh?!

Thank you but I'll take Horner's word over someone who would want us to believe that you can cut out 6 inches of a carbon fiber molded tub and you can make a F1 chassis like that. Honestly it's laughable what they are trying to make us believe.

Not to mention that a 150 mm difference in size between two 2.4 liter engines is too far fetched.
15th January 2010, 07:11
DexDexter

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Originally Posted by ioan

'Says my source' huh?!

Thank you but I'll take Horner's word over someone who would want us to believe that you can cut out 6 inches of a carbon fiber molded tub and you can make a F1 chassis like that. Honestly it's laughable what they are trying to make us believe.

Not to mention that a 150 mm difference in size between two 2.4 liter engines is too far fetched.

Of course Horner would say that when their engine situation wasn't sorted. We've heard those types of statements before.
15th January 2010, 09:53
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by henners88

and an aerodynamicist

Oh shucks, another one that makes the wind go swish.... Do you suppose the stuff he worked on was complicated too?

My a**e must be fecking clever in the aero dept.... :p
15th January 2010, 11:00
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by henners88

lol.. This guy comes into my local, and I usually try and get info out of him, although usually without success. I do know he's not an "air swish" guy who has secret tifosi tendencies though.. :p

Nothing worse than an 'Air Swisher'
15th January 2010, 16:50
Powered by Cosworth

Nice to see they've finally got off their arse, re-hired staff and got everything going again. :)
15th January 2010, 17:34
ioan

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Originally Posted by henners88

The source in my case being Ross Brawn, and an aerodynamicist who works for the team. This is well documented and I'm quite surprised a man as passionate about F1 as you, did not know this.

If you take anything for granted, no matter from what blog it's your business.
Some common sense with even a little engineering knowledge is enough to realize that you can't cut out 15cms of a chassis that was 99% through it's development and still get an extremely well balanced and rigid chassis after that.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I wouldn't expect Horner to have extensive knowledge about the ease of installing an engine into a car with which he has absolutely no technical knowledge.

Sure you wouldn't, you only believe those who suit your POV even if what they claim is practically impossible.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Adrian Newey may well have designed the Red Bull to accomodate a number of engine suppliers as they were unsure who was actually going to be their supplier until very late on.

Maybe Newey also discovered how to stretch time, like to make it 2 or 3 times longer so that he can design 2 or 3 different cars. :\

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Originally Posted by henners88

Honda on the other hand were pushing the boundaries by developing their own engine which was significantly different to the other manufacturers.

Significantly different? With such tight technical rules?! You know nothing about F1 let alone engineering.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Would it be at all possible ioan to supply some proof (link maybe) that Christian Horner actually made the claim that F1 engines are vastly similar in specification? I've supplied links for my part you see, so would appreciate the same if you can. Otherwise I'll be blinded by the overwhelming amount of evidence to support my claim... :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewben..._of_brawn.html

What a strange coincidence, he repeated it today:

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The engines these days, through regulations, are so similar in terms of their packaging that it hasn't compromised us at all.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80906

I tried to find the older quote too but according to Autosport:

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