Iraq: U.S. definitely was NOT out for oil.

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20th December 2009, 19:19
janvanvurpa

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

You realize that Catch 22 is FICTION don't you?

Of course the STORY was fiction but most semi-literate people understand the idea that truth can be presented in fictional settings in order to explore ideas to people who might otherwise, either by inclination, persuation or congenital deficiencies, but unable or unwilling to image concepts different than what they were used to.

Catch-22 was a brilliant examination of the logic of "the Organisational Man" and the rationalisations used to justify anything, as long as there is a profit to be made.

Obviously, you've never read it, or if you did, failed utterly in understanding the main idea.
21st December 2009, 01:32
chuck34

So the cry for so many years was that Bush did it all for the oil and that the US was going to occupy Iraq as some sort of colonial conquest. Now that that has been show to not be the case, the cry becomes what did fight and die for. How much longer will it take for you all to realize that the war was fought for rhe Exact reasons layed out buy Bush; to rid Iraq of a dictator who would do anything (including gassing his own people, ignoring UN sanctions, and God knows what else) just to stay in power?
21st December 2009, 03:58
gloomyDAY

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Originally Posted by chuck34

How much longer will it take for you all to realize that the war was fought for rhe Exact reasons layed out buy Bush; to rid Iraq of a dictator who would do anything (including gassing his own people, ignoring UN sanctions, and God knows what else) just to stay in power?

I thought the war was about getting rid of Iraq's WMDs. No, wait, it was about "freedom". Oh, that's not it, the war was about....Dick and Bush never gave us a clear cut answer to that mind boggling question of 'why we fight?'.

Fact: American soldiers died in the Iraq war so China and Russia can reap the spoils. :rolleyes:

You must be the antonym of smart to think there isn't anything wrong with that fact.
21st December 2009, 04:00
markabilly

whatever----But that is hardly gratitude by the worthless slugs of chinese, ruskies and iraqies, who all have profited at the cost of american lives, and whose contribution was not worth even noting to getting rid of him---or worse, were actively in opposition.

So the price of oil will continue to go up, with this development.

Dumbuts in the US news services are pretty much ignoring this news.
21st December 2009, 04:58
Mark in Oshawa

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

I thought the war was about getting rid of Iraq's WMDs. No, wait, it was about "freedom". Oh, that's not it, the war was about....Dick and Bush never gave us a clear cut answer to that mind boggling question of 'why we fight?'.

Fact: American soldiers died in the Iraq war so China and Russia can reap the spoils. :rolleyes:

You must be the antonym of smart to think there isn't anything wrong with that fact.

The Russian and Chinese oil companies are reaping the rewards because the US oil industry wasn't willing to pay the Iraqi government what they wanted in a fair bid process. It is the right of Iraqi's to determine their future at this point....
21st December 2009, 05:31
airshifter

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

I thought the war was about getting rid of Iraq's WMDs. No, wait, it was about "freedom". Oh, that's not it, the war was about....Dick and Bush never gave us a clear cut answer to that mind boggling question of 'why we fight?'.

Fact: American soldiers died in the Iraq war so China and Russia can reap the spoils. :rolleyes:

You must be the antonym of smart to think there isn't anything wrong with that fact.

If the fact that some people will risk their lives to help the lives of others bothers you so much, just make sure you don't join the people in such diplomatic and military efforts.

Though I tend to think there was little if any risk of that based on your following the money attitude.
21st December 2009, 05:43
gloomyDAY

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

The Russian and Chinese oil companies are reaping the rewards because the US oil industry wasn't willing to pay the Iraqi government what they wanted in a fair bid process. It is the right of Iraqi's to determine their future at this point....

This is what is so confusing. I'm not sure if the United States is trying to play some kind of game because American oil companies have the money to outbid their rivals. The idea of Iraq pursuing their own future is fine by me, but shouldn't America reap some of the benefits? I mean, the U.S. only fought a war!

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Originally Posted by airshifter

If the fact that some people will risk their lives to help the lives of others bothers you so much, just make sure you don't join the people in such diplomatic and military efforts.

Though I tend to think there was little if any risk of that based on your following the money attitude.

Oh, please! Let's not go down that route. Johnny got his leg blown off in Iraq to see his Iraqi compatriot have a fruitful and happy life. Yeah, sure buddy.

If you want to help people, join the Peace Corps.
21st December 2009, 05:48
Mark in Oshawa

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

This is what is so confusing. I'm not sure if the United States is trying to play some kind of game because American oil companies have the money to outbid their rivals. The idea of Iraq pursuing their own future is fine by me, but shouldn't America reap some of the benefits? I mean, the U.S. only fought a war!

Oh, please! Let's not go down that route. Johnny got his leg blown off in Iraq to see his Iraqi compatriot have a fruitful and happy life. Yeah, sure buddy.

If you want to help people, join the Peace Corps.

That's capitalism man. Maybe the Russky and Chinese oil companies are being subsidized so both countries can have access to that oil? You have to know Obama would NEVER subsidize the US oil industry, nor should he. They made a business decision to NOT over bid for that oil. Simple as that.
21st December 2009, 06:12
SportscarBruce

Who here is truly prepared to venture forth into political Not Fly Zones to order to seek out these elusive answers for questions of how and why we fight?

Ah, the good ol' US of A,
Land beholded to Military-Industrial Complex
and a corrupt two-party system
a society in decay
drowning in debt
lead in proxy by
special interest
foreign interest,
and global financial interest.

War is her #1 export
And it has to be.

Why?

Because people half a world away hate us for our our freedoms.

Or so the story goes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yd53Xs6hyM

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...ticle/ShowFull
21st December 2009, 06:19
Mark in Oshawa

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Originally Posted by SportscarBruce

Who here is truly prepared to venture forth into political Not Fly Zones to order to seek out these elusive answers for questions of how and why we fight?

Ah, the good ol' US of A,
Land beholded to Military-Industrial Complex
and a corrupt two-party system
a society in decay
drowning in debt
lead in proxy by
special interest
foreign interest,
and global financial interest.

War is her #1 export
And it has to be.

Why?

Because people half a world away hate us for our our freedoms.

Or so the story goes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yd53Xs6hyM

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...ticle/ShowFull

Actually, they do hate you for your freedom. Not to mention most western nations for their freedoms. Just look at Bin Laden's words on the topic...

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