Whats the excuse this time Nascar

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2nd November 2009, 03:32
call_me_andrew

I thought that race was brilliant. Mostly because all that strategic, single-file racing until the last 100 miles makes NASCAR look bad.

And I maintain my position that cutting grooves in the tires (F1 style) would slow the cars and break up the packs better than restrictor plates.
2nd November 2009, 05:52
Sparky1329

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Originally Posted by muggle not

Worst race of the year.

The race was a farce, the Chase is a farce, and Nascar is a farce. I am pissed at how they have ruined what once was good racing.

+100
2nd November 2009, 14:31
mileman

What a pathetic excuse for a "race." Single file "cruise control" - almost the big one - the big one - and then the points leader "passing" guys left and right because they're running out of gas. This was one of the worst NASCAR shows in a long time. (Did I see a group of empty seats in the grandstand?)

I wonder what Mark Martin really had to say. It almost seemed like he was biting his tongue in the post-race interview. I'm at least glad that Newman told it like it is.
2nd November 2009, 16:34
Lee Roy

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Originally Posted by PA Rick

Bulldoze the banks. Why have banking so you can go faster and then put on plates to make you go slower. Flatten the track and then there will be sane racing.

Bingo!!!! The only solution.

That, or have the fans band together and have the racing at Talladega eliminated like they did at Rockingham. If the fans boycott Talladega like they did Rockingham, NASCAR will have to listen.
2nd November 2009, 17:04
Mark in Oshawa

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Originally Posted by The instant classic

i was thinking the same thing when Tony and Johnson went hiding to the back and said "30 to go i will race" i was thinking then, you know if they took the plates off guys could never pull this **** i know nascar says the speed is to high, but if the IRL cars race 220 on almost every track, whats the best the nascar speeds could be? maybe 212? i know nascar still goes on about bobby allison wreck but if the COT car is as great and safe as nascar loves to say, we should have no problem

Ummm comparing an IRL car to a Cup car is pointless. First off, at 3400 lbs, they are coming off the ground in wrecks at the speeds they are at now. At 3400 vs 1400 lbs for the IRL car, the IRL car wont go through the fence into the stands, the Cup car with no plates on surely will.

I like Alex's assertion to not sell any seats in the first 25 rows but I suspect that isn't really a doable solution.

Tear down the banks and create a new track is the solution, but as long as 100000 people show up for races at Dega and Daytona, we will have plate races. I think the drivers tolerate it at Daytona because handling is an issue there, and the pack isn't 3 wide from start to finish; but Dega is a joke. A hell of a spectacle, but the drivers hate it and it isn't really the racing you see the rest of the year.
2nd November 2009, 17:37
Alexamateo

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

Ummm comparing an IRL car to a Cup car is pointless. First off, at 3400 lbs, they are coming off the ground in wrecks at the speeds they are at now. At 3400 vs 1400 lbs for the IRL car, the IRL car wont go through the fence into the stands, the Cup car with no plates on surely will.

I like Alex's assertion to not sell any seats in the first 25 rows but I suspect that isn't really a doable solution.

Tear down the banks and create a new track is the solution, but as long as 100000 people show up for races at Dega and Daytona, we will have plate races. I think the drivers tolerate it at Daytona because handling is an issue there, and the pack isn't 3 wide from start to finish; but Dega is a joke. A hell of a spectacle, but the drivers hate it and it isn't really the racing you see the rest of the year.

I'll add that I would also incorporate a second catch fence at the stands 75 feet behind the others.

IMO, the plates were a stopgap solution in response to Bobby Allison's wreck in 1987. Nascar discovered it bunched the cars together and they liked the show. If it were truly for the safety factor, why have they not done anything for Texas, Charlotte, Atlanta, and Michigan, whose lap averages are now faster than Daytona and Talladega?

Without plates, they would not run in 35 car packs 4 wide. Many of the accidents they have now, would not happen. There is danger to fans at that speed of course, so move them back behind a double catch fence with a no-man's-land and enforce it.

They should probably do this at other tracks too, because as noted earlier, speeds are increasing.

I'm a fan, and it's a rush to be down low and hang on the fence while a car whooshes by at 200mph+, but this should be addressed sooner rather than later.
2nd November 2009, 17:47
Mark in Oshawa

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Originally Posted by Alexamateo

I'll add that I would also incorporate a second catch fence at the stands 75 feet behind the others.

IMO, the plates were a stopgap solution in response to Bobby Allison's wreck in 1987. Nascar discovered it bunched the cars together and they liked the show. If it were truly for the safety factor, why have they not done anything for Texas, Charlotte, Atlanta, and Michigan, whose lap averages are now faster than Daytona and Talladega?

Without plates, they would not run in 35 car packs 4 wide. Many of the accidents they have now, would not happen. There is danger to fans at that speed of course, so move them back behind a double catch fence with a no-man's-land and enforce it.

They should probably do this at other tracks too, because as noted earlier, speeds are increasing.

I'm a fan, and it's a rush to be down low and hang on the fence while a car whooshes by at 200mph+, but this should be addressed sooner rather than later.

The Plates tighten them into a pack, THAT I agree with. The problem is insurance companies wont insure the track if the cars are doing 220 to 230 everywhere. It is about a 30 to 40mph increase in speed, but in the factor of the cars getting airborne, it is an exponential increase. You can bet that sooner or later a car would be in the stands.

As for other tracks, the speeds are not sustained and NOT through the corners above 160. THAT is the difference. The high sustained full throttle running you get at Daytona and Dega creates the draft and the 200mph runs down the straights. AT Pocono, Michigan and Fontana, they run about 200 and change into the corners but they are braking, and the nature of the corner leading into the straights gives people room to spread. Putting plates on at these tracks would make the racing far worse and maybe create other issues.

There is no easy solution. I think people hope the incoming change to fuel injection might give these guys something back on plate tracks. Maybe....
2nd November 2009, 18:35
Sparky1329

A friend of mine spent the weekend at Talladega which she's been doing for several years. She said she has never seen so few fans in the seats as there were this past weekend.
2nd November 2009, 18:44
The instant classic

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

Ummm comparing an IRL car to a Cup car is pointless. First off, at 3400 lbs, they are coming off the ground in wrecks at the speeds they are at now. At 3400 vs 1400 lbs for the IRL car, the IRL car wont go through the fence into the stands, the Cup car with no plates on surely will.

I like Alex's assertion to not sell any seats in the first 25 rows but I suspect that isn't really a doable solution.

Tear down the banks and create a new track is the solution, but as long as 100000 people show up for races at Dega and Daytona, we will have plate races. I think the drivers tolerate it at Daytona because handling is an issue there, and the pack isn't 3 wide from start to finish; but Dega is a joke. A hell of a spectacle, but the drivers hate it and it isn't really the racing you see the rest of the year.

after i posted take the plates off and race like the IRL, i took some time to more think of my next reply to who ever, reply to my comment, and more i was thinking about it..it wasn't my best idea on plate racing but meh i didn't feel like editing my post last night to fix it :D

for tear down the banks? i think nascar is in a big hole right now, they added banking at Bristol fans and drivers hate it and Bristol racing sucks now.
so nascar tears down the banking at dega and the racing sucks. but leave it and we have "the big one" i really hate to be nascar right now and come up with new rules for plate racing. :confused:

my only idea cuz i'm out of ideas by this point. maybe rase the yellow line up and make it like a street curb that would stop guys going under it.
or under the yellow line lay down gravel (like the glen has) maybe that could stop guys from getting air born?

sorry if the ideas suck guys but like i said, when it comes to plate racing i'm out of ideas at this point
2nd November 2009, 19:18
Alexamateo

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

The Plates tighten them into a pack, THAT I agree with. The problem is insurance companies wont insure the track if the cars are doing 220 to 230 everywhere. It is about a 30 to 40mph increase in speed, but in the factor of the cars getting airborne, it is an exponential increase. You can bet that sooner or later a car would be in the stands.

As for other tracks, the speeds are not sustained and NOT through the corners above 160. THAT is the difference. The high sustained full throttle running you get at Daytona and Dega creates the draft and the 200mph runs down the straights. AT Pocono, Michigan and Fontana, they run about 200 and change into the corners but they are braking, and the nature of the corner leading into the straights gives people room to spread. Putting plates on at these tracks would make the racing far worse and maybe create other issues.

There is no easy solution. I think people hope the incoming change to fuel injection might give these guys something back on plate tracks. Maybe....

Mark,

Did you miss the part where I said to move or eliminate the stands close to the track and then have a double series of catch fences with a no-main's land? like this:

Track____] no man land 50-75-100'? ] elevated stands

These cars may fly but they will not fly that far.

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