I think Soper being...how can I put it....a prickly character at times meant some people didn't warm to him. But I completely agree he was stunning in all sorts of different machinery.
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I think Soper being...how can I put it....a prickly character at times meant some people didn't warm to him. But I completely agree he was stunning in all sorts of different machinery.
Tommy Kendall and Ron Fellows, both major players in Trans Am and top rated road racers. The former dominated the 90s, the latter now a GM/Corvette/ALMS legend
Can't help but think what they would've been like had they raced in Europe with better competition.
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Originally Posted by Scuderia ferrari
My list in no particular order:
Yvan Muller - a genius behind the wheel, stunning car control
Fabrizio Giovanardi - 8 touring car titles... that has to say something.
Alain Menu - Double winner of BTCC in 90s and 2000s, and don't forget that he finished 2nd in the championship three times prior to his 1997 championship victory
Andy Rouse - the most successful BTCC driver in history
John Cleland - Charismatic and a rather excellent driver
Andy Priaulx - "WTCC's answer to Michael Schumacher" is a quote I heard somewhere.
I'd also include Rickard Rydell and Frank Biela.
Erkut Kizilirmak
Ibrahim Okayay
Aytac Biter
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Even though he has beaten most of the drivers on my list, I was reluctant to put Andy Priaulx on the list because the rules and regulations in the WTCC just seem to be made up as they go along. Plus, I've not actually seen many of his races to judge his ability.
okay I'm going to pick 3 from the 80's 90's and 00's
Andy Rouse will his record ever be beaten
John Cleland, MR Vauxhall and a gent
Chris Hodgetts, back to back champ in a toyota
David Leslie, should have been champ. clean driver
Alain Menu, record speaks for itself
Will Hoy
Yvan Muller, yes he is arrogant but what car control
Fab Gio, think we have still to see the best of him here
Andy Prialux, again world champ how many times, would love to see him back here
True the regulations in the WTCC seem to spring out of thin air sometimes and perhaps you could attribute one or even two championships to that. But Andy Priaulx has won four championships in a row (and was in contention down to the final race weekend in his very first season in the ETCC in 2003), you don't get that by hodge-podge regulations or luck. He doesn't have anything left to prove and is clearly a great of touring car racing. Of course if you haven't seen many of his races then that's fair enough, I couldn't and wouldn't be able comment on who is the best Australian V8 Supercar driver ever for the same reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
Best touring car drivers ever? It is really so hard to judge because of different eras and regulations. Of the ones I have seen since I started watching touring cars in 1992 (in no particular order):
Bernd Schneider
Fabrizio Giovanardi
Andy Priaulx
Yvan Muller
Alain Menu
Laurent Aiello
John Cleland
From the guys which I have watched I must say Bernd Schneider and Giovarandi.
The best builder of Touring Cars without question is Tom Walkinshaw. A few European Touring Car championships to his name (one as a driver), twice winner of the Spa 24 Hours, and 4 wins by his cars at the Bathurst 1000. He even won a Macau Guia.
Win Percy won the ETCC as a driver, the Spa 24 hours and a Bathurst 1000.
Jacky Ickx has won the Spa 24 hours, a Bathurst 1000 and Le Mans.
Peter Brock won Bathurst 9 times (10 if you include a 24 hour race in a car so hideously cheating it wasn't funny), and took a couple of Commodores to Spa in 1986.
Joe Winkelhock scored a BTCC title, a German STW title, a Spa 24 Hours, two Guias, and a Le Mans win.
Giovanardi... is there anything he hasn't won?
3 Italian championships, a Spanish title, 3 WTCCs, and now back to back winner of the BTCC.