My cousin won't marry me - I think I'll go kill some zionists

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Originally Posted by Daniel

To be fair if the Jews/Israeli's stopped poking the lion the lion would stop biting them.

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Well, my comment was about the finnish shooting that happened today and Eki probably finding a way to blame that on USA and jews.

But you are right of course, that region is very complicated.

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Well, my comment was about the finnish shooting that happened today and Eki probably finding a way to blame that on USA and jews.

But you are right of course, that region is very complicated.

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Oops brainfart. I get you now :up:

I don't necessarily think the region is complicated. You get what you give. That pretty much describes the Israel-Palestine and Israel-Hezbollah conflicts.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Seriously mate it's not that black and white.

Israeli's of all people should know that if you whip the little people they'll fight back. I seem to remember something about Charlton Heston leading the Israeli's out of Egypt and a that god sent plagues and so on to ravage Egypt and then there was this bit where the water parted and the Israelites went through and the Egyptians were swallowed up by the sea.

Plagues of locusts, plagues of suicide bombers, using the Israelites as slave labour and opressing the Palestinians. It's all one and the same....

If I were a religious man I'd say God is simply doing to you what he did for your people way back in the past but as I'm not I'll simply say that you're reaping what you sow.

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You'll find the book is better than the film... ;)

what about the woman who was beaten to death by the israeli Defense Forces a few days ago?

care to expand Rani did you get the news about that one yet? Is it their idea of a good time?

please tell the class :)

talk about religious nutters? I dare you to eat a ham sandwich in the open on Yom Kippur in the open public, see how far ya get :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Daniel

To be fair if the Jews/Israeli's stopped poking the lion the lion would stop biting them.

It took Northern Ireland a long time to stop terrorist attacks but they managed to do it and it didn't happen through military action.

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Negotiations are based on every side comprimising a bit in order to achieve common ground. Hizbuallah and Hamas' idea of commoon ground is Israel ceasing to exist, and their way of achieving it is terrorist attacks. Even when Arafat was in power he was offered everything Israel could give by then PM Barak, and declined. I am not as knowledgeable on the subject of Northern Ireland but I believe both sides were much more viable partners than either Hamas or Hizbuallah. "Poking the lion" is the only way when the lion is hell bent on biting you in the balls.

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Originally Posted by SOD

what about the woman who was beaten to death by the israeli Defense Forces a few days ago?

care to expand Rani did you get the news about that one yet? Is it their idea of a good time?

please tell the class :)

talk about religious nutters? I dare you to eat a ham sandwich in the open on Yom Kippur in the open public, see how far ya get :rolleyes:

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Are you talking aout this?
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...599562,00.html
If you are, than it seems she died of a heart attack. Granted, the army would rather have us think she died of a heart attack, just as much as the people around her would like us to think she died from a beating sustained by her (by the way the family of the terrorist this thread is originally about claim he ran down about 20 people by accidant).
Back to the elderly lady (that an IDF doctor tried to save for half an hour - you elegantly left that bit out, Sean). Had I been on a raid like this and a woman was blocking my way, I'd move her away too, as a lot of attacks on soldiers are based on distractions from other people. Yes, I'd push her aside because I'd be afraid someone she is hiding would use her and try to stab me\shoot me\spill acid on me so I'd lose my eyesight http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...600252,00.html

Would you physically confront a soldier in your country?!
I wouldn't, and if someone does, he should be aware that he might be treated physically as well. Not only in Israel- anywhere.


Concerning Yom Kippur, I have eaten pork on this day and I'm still here. Around where I live, people drive and eat around freely (I don't, out of tradition and respect) and nothing happens. Of course some places are much more sensitive, just as I guess a lot of 'normal' people would be offended if nudists walked around their neighbourhood. Everyone has their beliefs and those should be respected as long as they don't hurt anybody.

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Originally Posted by Rani

Negotiations are based on every side comprimising a bit in order to achieve common ground. Hizbuallah and Hamas' idea of commoon ground is Israel ceasing to exist, and their way of achieving it is terrorist attacks. Even when Arafat was in power he was offered everything Israel could give by then PM Barak, and declined. I am not as knowledgeable on the subject of Northern Ireland but I believe both sides were much more viable partners than either Hamas or Hizbuallah. "Poking the lion" is the only way when the lion is hell bent on biting you in the balls.

Would you physically confront a soldier in your country?!
I wouldn't, and if someone does, he should be aware that he might be treated physically as well. Not only in Israel- anywhere.

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We don't have soldiers just roaming around our countries involved in making life difficult for people and they don't just go around beating people.

I'm not saying Hamas or Hizbullah are angels but the military action you take just makes them stronger and stronger. Everytime you bomb a residential area you merely make yourselves less popular by killing people who probably had nothing to do with the conflict and who were probably not against Israel being there at all. But kill them for no good reason and you turn the whole neighbourhood against you.

Back off a bit, give the terrorists space to hang themselves with their own rope. Some Israeli's will die and the government will get criticised for not "doing" anything about it but people will soon lose the will to will to kill themselves for no good reason. Those who still insist on making war with Israel will become unpopular and their support base will dwindle. That or you can just keep the cycle going. It really has no impact on me at all. It's you and YOUR family who are at risk because of the stupidity of your government and their inability to break the cycle.

Well yes, but if you drive into a crowd in Israel it's very likely you're going to kill at least some Jews, it's slightly hard to miss. Sounds more like a case of somebody just going crazy and losing it more than a specific terrorist attack on the defenceless Jews.

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Originally Posted by Drew

Well yes, but if you drive into a crowd in Israel it's very likely you're going to kill at least some Jews, it's slightly hard to miss. Sounds more like a case of somebody just going crazy and losing it more than a specific terrorist attack on the defenceless Jews.

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The terrorist is from east Jerusalem, where the population is almost all muslim. He didn't just run his car randomly at the nearest street, but looked for a crowded place with many soldiers and civilians. You clearly lack knowledge on the subject and your cynicism ("slightly hard to miss") doesn't make you seem any more knowledgeable.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

We don't have soldiers just roaming around our countries involved in making life difficult for people and they don't just go around beating people.

I'm not saying Hamas or Hizbullah are angels but the military action you take just makes them stronger and stronger. Everytime you bomb a residential area you merely make yourselves less popular by killing people who probably had nothing to do with the conflict and who were probably not against Israel being there at all. But kill them for no good reason and you turn the whole neighbourhood against you.

Back off a bit, give the terrorists space to hang themselves with their own rope. Some Israeli's will die and the government will get criticised for not "doing" anything about it but people will soon lose the will to will to kill themselves for no good reason. Those who still insist on making war with Israel will become unpopular and their support base will dwindle. That or you can just keep the cycle going. It really has no impact on me at all. It's you and YOUR family who are at risk because of the stupidity of your government and their inability to break the cycle.

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A few years ago when the qasam rockets were being fired regularly, we tried this approach of 'turning the other cheek'. It didn't work. On one hand, your right. On the other, it makes Israel look weak and with the enemies we have around us, that's all we need. On the other other hand, you said some Israelis will die. Where do you draw the line? one? ten? a hundred?
You just can't let people die on the streets without responding because if you will, Syria, Iran, Hizbuallah and Hamas will all be waiting at your doorstep.

Not an easy area, the Middle East. The solution isn't this simple.

One way forward would be for more understanding to be shown of the grievances and views of the other side. However, when we have a situation in which, for example, the Palestinians carry on expecting and gaining international support despite the worst of their actions, and when the Israeli government is so paranoid that it employs groups to monitor all sorts of world media for the slightest comment that doesn't toe the official line, there doesn't seem to be much of a way forward.

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Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz

I agree with Daniel, the topic has been beaten to death.

BTW, just seen it on Euronews there was a shooting spree in a Finnish town. I wonder how long it will take Eki to find an American connection there and blame it on Bush and NRA.

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Now that yous asked for it, it's not even hard to do, when you think about that the Columbine school shooters were his heroes:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,426210,00.html

"Clips from the 1999 Columbine school shootings in Colorado were listed among his favorite videos."

Kids here idolize everything American, even the scumbags. I know, I used to be the same when I was a kid. I even thought Ronald Reagan was a good guy. Then I grew up.