What Citroen & Ford have that Subaru don't

Funniest thing is the amount of inflexibility and stubbornes which has prevented to solve basic problems during the period of three years.

It's complitely stupid to say that engine power is their problem. It's not. If the engine was the main problems there would have to be approximately 50 bhp power disadvantage to other teams. That's really not the case. Last year in Germany Atkinson drove beautiful stage wins which is impossible if the engine is poor (Germany really highlights engine power).

i think looking at it now... chris was at least decent.. holding his own... petter.. no idea whats going on there... he's not getting any air time or anything to explain whats going on...

through all of this .. leads me to 1 question... how much diff. are the abu dabi fords compared to stobart / muncie? is there really that much 'more' put into the top guy's car's.. or is it there talent?

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Originally Posted by Finni

It's complitely stupid to say that engine power is their problem. It's not. If the engine was the main problems there would have to be approximately 50 bhp power disadvantage to other teams. That's really not the case. Last year in Germany Atkinson drove beautiful stage wins which is impossible if the engine is poor (Germany really highlights engine power).

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Only wineyeards. On fast stages like on Baumholder engine is not that much important. For example Fabia WRC which is very weak compared to new WRC especialy on torque. Germany is not problem, Kopecký usualy lost only in wineyeards where there are many hairpins uphill. Compared to that he wasn't able to make any good results on Corsica and complained about torque which they simply didn't have.

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Originally Posted by jonkka

Of course it is possible but everything Subaru engineers can do in that respect is something that their counterparts in Ford and Citroen can do as well - plus that their engine is further back and tilted backwards. So, it is an advantage that no Subaru effort can nullify, meaning centre of gravity on Citroen and Ford is more ideal (as close to midpoint longitudinally, as close to center laterally and as low as possible).

I don't dispute the issue, just correct the facts. S1's weight distribution was at 52:48 compared to 58:42 of Sport quattro and even worse in Group 4 quattro A1/A2.

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I still think that big nose innertia is much bigger problem than weight distribution itself ;)

What Citroen & Ford have that Subaru don't?

The capability to perform on Friday and Saturday. Finland, Germany and New Zealand show the new Impreza is close to respectable on a Sunday. Maybe they should give up rallying and try racing, although the grid positions might not be too good.

Should this thread not read what Citroen have got and Ford /Subaru don't?

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Originally Posted by coldrive

What Citroen & Ford have that Subaru don't?

The capability to perform on Friday and Saturday. Finland, Germany and New Zealand show the new Impreza is close to respectable on a Sunday. Maybe they should give up rallying and try racing, although the grid positions might not be too good.

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by sunday other drivers are slowing down, or at least driving with a degree of caution, but the subaru drivers just driving the same pace. i dont think you can read anything into their sunday times.

sunday stage times mean nothing

By Subaru we should say Prodrive - who are involved in other Motorsports - which may affect their WRC programme. GT1's, LMP1's etc

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Originally Posted by ste898

Should this thread not read what Citroen have got and Ford /Subaru don't?

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You think the Citroen is a better car than the Ford? Please elaborate..