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22nd June 2008, 21:15
BobGarage

strange... the IRL fans had been telling CCWS fans for years how CC was just the support race for V8 Supercars. But now its the IRL running there suddenly the tune is changed and they claim V8 superscars are back as the support series ;)
22nd June 2008, 21:42
!!WALDO!!

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strange... the IRL fans had been telling CCWS fans for years how CC was just the support race for V8 Supercars. But now its the IRL running there suddenly the tune is changed and they claim V8 superscars are back as the support series ;)

Strange, I never heard that? If they have a good following then they are a stronge "support" series that helps financially rather "suck" money from the event, then good. If not well.

If they don't want to come then stay home. That simple.
22nd June 2008, 22:09
MDS

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The IRL is a member of FIA as was the CCWS. Now what sanctioning body runs the Australian GP? HINT: It isn't FIA.

Yeah, but for any race outside of the US you need FIA approval. Good luck racing with out it.

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So Bernie has hat in hand to the IRL. So if TG says, Surfer's in January or no go and Bernie throws a fit, then no U.S.G.P.

I'm sorry, I laughed for a good five minutes to that. Berine Ecclestone, head of the most powerful racing series in the world kowtows to Tony George, and absolutely needs his blessing in order to succeed. Wow.

So many things are wrong with this statement I just don't know where to start. First of all F-1 does not need the USGP. They don't. It's just not that important. It's not massively important to their sponsors and viewership is minimal.

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So TG saying more races in Feburary and March is low. Just in the last 10 days.

What? I'm sorry, but that sentence just doesn't make any sense. "More races in Feburary and March is low?" What do you mean by this. It physically doesn't make any sense on any level. And "Just in the last 10 days." is a sentence fragment, so again, I don't know what you're saying.

I'd expect more from someone who called out my spelling once.

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So they only race in the Spring and not in the Summer in Australia? They are "support" if they do not "support" then save your money. You know what? Money works 99.99% of the time.

They are a support race that is responsible for 30 to 40 percent of the total weekend draw. Its not like they're Indy Lites. You can't just dismiss it out of hand.
22nd June 2008, 22:10
ykiki

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Strange, I never heard that? If they have a good following then they are a stronge "support" series that helps financially rather "suck" money from the event, then good. If not well.

If they don't want to come then stay home. That simple.

Basically, the popularity of the V8 Supercar series in Australia is similar to the popularity of NASCAR in the US. Not hard to see why some would call an IndyCar race a "support" race to the V8 Supercars.
22nd June 2008, 22:38
!!WALDO!!

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Yeah, but for any race outside of the US you need FIA approval. Good luck racing with out it.

I see you did not answer the question.

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I'm sorry, I laughed for a good five minutes to that. Berine Ecclestone, head of the most powerful racing series in the world kowtows to Tony George, and absolutely needs his blessing in order to succeed. Wow.

I laughed for 20 minutes that you will not being a U.S. G.P. unless he does. Me, I frankly don't care either way and if Surfer's goes because of it so be it.

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So many things are wrong with this statement I just don't know where to start. First of all F-1 does not need the USGP. They don't. It's just not that important. It's not massively important to their sponsors and viewership is minimal.

Oh I see, the F-1 sponsors are all hoping for the one TV in Chad to be watching the race. I think Fox ans Speed should drop their coverage of F-1 due to no interest. 4,000,000 are watching in GB and twice that are watching "Are you smarter than a fifth grader" on the same network here.

The largest FREE MARKET in the world is "just not that important". Now that is funny.

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What? I'm sorry, but that sentence just doesn't make any sense. "More races in Feburary and March is low?" What do you mean by this. It physically doesn't make any sense on any level. And "Just in the last 10 days." is a sentence fragment, so again, I don't know what you're saying.

I'd expect more from someone who called out my spelling once.

Oh yes you do because those are your words. Not mine.

Yes but I wasn't sweeping a pit box at age 13 at IMS either. Again your words.

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They are a support race that is responsible for 30 to 40 percent of the total weekend draw. Its not like they're Indy Lites. You can't just dismiss it out of hand.

They don't want to race for money then they can be dismissed easily.
22nd June 2008, 23:14
BobGarage

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They don't want to race for money then they can be dismissed easily.

Sorry Waldo, but that statement shows how little you know about the popularity and power that the v8s hold in Australia and how little you know about the situation with the Surfers event.

Without the V8's surfers would not happen. It has for a few years now, pulled a lot more to the event that CC. There are now a lot of people that go just for the event... to get drunk for the weekend and just don't care about the racing. Without the v8 supercars this event would not happen. That was not the case in the begining of surfers but it is now.

The v8's don't want to change surfers in their schedule and without their blessing TG isn't going to be able to do anything about it. If he wants to race at Surfers he will do so in October.
22nd June 2008, 23:23
MDS

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I see you did not answer the question.

Does it matter? The race is sanctioned by the Confederation of Australian Motor Sport, which is a member organization of La Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile.

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I laughed for 20 minutes that you will not being a U.S. G.P. unless he does.

Seriously, if you want to hold any kind of conversation at some point you need to start making sense. No idea what that sentence means.

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Oh I see, the F-1 sponsors are all hoping for the one TV in Chad to be watching the race. I think Fox ans Speed should drop their coverage of F-1 due to no interest. 4,000,000 are watching in GB and twice that are watching "Are you smarter than a fifth grader" on the same network here.

I don't understand how viewership in England relates to the United States.

Most F-1 races air live at 8 a.m. in American and are all under 1.0 The audience that supports F-1 in America is less tiny compared to the world wide population.

Speed and Fox aren't paying a lot of for the broadcast rights, and mostly use someone elses feed, so its a pretty cheap setup.

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The largest FREE MARKET in the world is "just not that important". Now that is funny.

Most of those companies that dump money into F-1 are European based. Renault backs two teams and I don't believe they have any North American operations. Like Renault, a number of the sponsors don't have any American branding or affilation. Petronas, Vodafone, Kingfisher, none of them have any US businessm, for them North American races are just a loss leader.

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Yes but I wasn't sweeping a pit box at age 13 at IMS either. Again your words.

If it's that important to you I can dig the picture out of my parent's attic and scan it for you when I go home for Thanksgiving.
22nd June 2008, 23:30
!!WALDO!!

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Sorry Waldo, but that statement shows how little you know about the popularity and power that the v8s hold in Australia and how little you know about the situation with the Surfers event.

Got an idea then, let them run and the Indy Cars can race somewhere else. Clears up scheduling problems and then the IRL can go to Brazil.

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Without the V8's surfers would not happen. It has for a few years now, pulled a lot more to the event that CC. There are now a lot of people that go just for the event... to get drunk for the weekend and just don't care about the racing. Without the v8 supercars this event would not happen. That was not the case in the begining of surfers but it is now.

I was just saying, if they do not want to run for money then so be it. Look I have used popular forms of support at tracks I promoted at. Without them I would have had half the crowd. They must understand though they are support and not the primary focus. There is always a rub. Ever run across that problem in shows you did? How did you handle it? I had to explain the facts of life of that day to them.

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The v8's don't want to change surfers in their schedule and without their blessing TG isn't going to be able to do anything about it. If he wants to race at Surfers he will do so in October.

Then I think the race will never be more than an exhibition. Never any points. Thus as important as a boil on the rear of the sport. Again those facts of life need to be explained.
22nd June 2008, 23:33
MDS

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Then I think the race will never be more than an exhibition.

OMG you stated an opinion as your own opinion and not as a fact. Good for you. Just do it every other time you post now and people will think higher of you.
22nd June 2008, 23:42
!!WALDO!!

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Does it matter? The race is sanctioned by the Confederation of Australian Motor Sport, which is a member organization of La Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile.

So the IRL is a member organization of ACCUS with is the United States member of the FIA and the Indianapolis 500 is one of the few U.S. races that is a full FIA race.

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Seriously, if you want to hold any kind of conversation at some point you need to start making sense. No idea what that sentence means.

Again your words not mine. Read your words thus it make sense.

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I don't understand how viewership in England relates to the United States.

The whole world is watching but most the world is in survival mode so 4,000,000 in England may represent a 1/3 of what is watching.

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Most F-1 races air live at 8 a.m. in American and are all under 1.0 The audience that supports F-1 in America is less tiny compared to the world wide population.

So how many are watching in China since they have a 7 day work week and the race is on Monday?

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Speed and Fox aren't paying a lot of for the broadcast rights, and mostly use someone elses feed, so its a pretty cheap setup.

Bernie runs the deal and gets good money. What I think is interesting is the German Company that had the World rights, went broke because of this deal.

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Most of those companies that dump money into F-1 are European based. Renault backs two teams and I don't believe they have any North American operations. Like Renault, a number of the sponsors don't have any American branding or affilation. Petronas, Vodafone, Kingfisher, none of them have any US businessm, for them North American races are just a loss leader.

And 40 teams in Cup are getting more money and exposure for their sponsors than 22 cars in F-1. Those 40 are getting close to $700,000,000

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If it's that important to you I can dig the picture out of my parent's attic and scan it for you when I go home for Thanksgiving.

Don't bother, I found your own words. Enjoy.

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My first ever job was cleaning up the Forsythe pit space and being a gopher for them back in 1983 when I was 13. I got paid the whopping sum of $10 a day for three weeks during May. Then did a year working on PR/driver's PA for Arciero-Wells in 1999 which went on to become PPI and then switch to NASCAR after the 2000 season. I didn't want be be on the road as much as NASCAR requires so I moved to Patrick racing.

Yeah, I should clarify I was never in the pits, and was only in the garage area during when cars weren't on the track, a few times at night when pretty much everyone else had gone home, but I was still techincally paid for "Sweeping on the garage," as my uncles got there start that way and thought it was an important right of passage. Largely it was just away for my uncle to give me some walking around cash and to encourage me to help look out for the younger kids, because my cousins and I did a lot of baby sitting.
All I can say is there are rules, and then there is enforcement of rules. My brother and cousins, including the girls, and I all have pictures of us doing it. The reasons behind this is my uncle saw this as a right of passage, it's a good story, and probably because it sounds good in an interview.

Now that I think about it though I've never actually been a live garage at Indy. We did sneek in one year after the end of the race. I think in 1993 or 1994. We found a spot in the fence and jumped it. Once we got in no one said anything to us. I remember we were going to lie and claim our parents worked for Team Penske.

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