Nick didn't look too happy .

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Bagwan

A one-stopper is quicker if you can get both kinds of tires working .
Nick's had all kinds of issues with that this year .

He was rendered unable to fight back , in my opinion .

If I recall correctly , Kimi got fastest lap , but Nick was second fastest in the race , indicating he had the pace to continue his original strategy , a two-stopper .
If I have recalled correctly , why did they change the strategy at all ? We might have seen a real battle .
That's what I think Nick was not so happy about .

He denied there were team orders in the first turn , but the die was cast by then .

---

Exactly, after their first stops Nick was ahead of Kubica, and if they would have kept him on a 2 stopper instead of filling him to the limit while on super soft tires they actually killed his chances to get a fair fight.
Top that with an order to let Robert through and that's it.
Why didn't they wait a few laps before asking him to let the Pole through in order to give him a fairer chance?!

He might have earned himself the chance to continue with BMW but that might have cost him the chance to win a F1 GP. Was it a fair trade?!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ioan

As he said it, he let Kubica through without putting up a fight, and at that moment he gave up the chance to win his first ever GP.
If he would have kept the Pole behind for a few more laps than he would have been in front after Kubica's 2nd pit stop and would have probably won the race.

I feel sorry for him, he worked hard to bring this team up, and he is the one they have to thank for all the developing work done on their cars.

---

What do you feel sorry for him? He has been completely demolished by Kubica this year and the only reason he had any chance to win at all was the SC. Kubica was again by far the better driver and when he overtook Heidfeld, it was because he was so much faster.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ioan

Exactly, after their first stops Nick was ahead of Kubica, and if they would have kept him on a 2 stopper instead of filling him to the limit while on super soft tires they actually killed his chances to get a fair fight.
Top that with an order to let Robert through and that's it.
Why didn't they wait a few laps before asking him to let the Pole through in order to give him a fairer chance?!
!

---

Proof that there was order to let him through, please. Because let`s face it, Heidfeld even blocked Kubica on track at one point. As I see it, Kubica simply was so much quicker that he was able to overtake him easily, without any team orders. Sure, Heidfeld was not going to cut him off, but that`s expected from teammates.

Heidfeld was given a very fair chance, it was his problem his pace was a joke. Next time he wants to fight for the win, maybe drive a bit faster in qualifying.

It is also pathetic to say that Kubica is the preferred man at BMW, it is actually so that Heidfeld is the loved one, except Kubica is making him look like a rookie at the moment.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Garry Walker

What do you feel sorry for him? He has been completely demolished by Kubica this year and the only reason he had any chance to win at all was the SC. Kubica was again by far the better driver and when he overtook Heidfeld, it was because he was so much faster.

---

Yeah sure, we have an era of F1 when to overtake you need the one in front to make a mistake, yet you believe that Kubica overtook Heidfeld driving basically the same car because he was that awesomely faster.

Strange how Heidfeld's best lap was better than Kubica's!

And Heidfeld being given the wrong strategy had nothing to do with Kubica being somewhat faster at the moment when Heidfeld came back from the pits. :rolleyes:

Sure thing Kubica is destroying Heidfeld, with the help of the team.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ioan

Yeah sure, we have an era of F1 when to overtake you need the one in front to make a mistake, yet you believe that Kubica overtook Heidfeld driving basically the same car because he was that awesomely faster.

---

Kubica was over 2 seconds per lap faster, it is quite possible to overtake in such an occasion, especially at Canada.

Quote:

---

Strange how Heidfeld's best lap was better than Kubica's!

---

Strange how Kimis best lap was much better than Massas, yet you gave Massa the man of the race title!

Quote:

---

And Heidfeld being given the wrong strategy had nothing to do with Kubica being somewhat faster at the moment when Heidfeld came back from the pits. :rolleyes:

Sure thing Kubica is destroying Heidfeld, with the help of the team.

---

So now there is team bias for Kubica and a german team wants their german driver to look bad. That sure is right :rolleyes:

Funny how when in Australia, when kubica was given the completely wrong strategy, you were only saying "oh, but points are showing Heidfeld is doing much better and that`s what counts," but now you are harbouring some BS about Heidfeld being screwed in the team, which there is no proof of.
Sure, in hindsight, BMW made the wrong call on strategy for NH, but they have done so on numerous other times as well. Now, looking at it from the point of view of justice, the only reason NH had any chance for a win at all was because of the SC, otherwise he was nowhere.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Strange how Kimis best lap was much better than Massas, yet you gave Massa the man of the race title!

---

You can give it to Kimi if you want too! :p :

[quote="Garry Walker"]Kubica was over 2 seconds per lap faster, it is quite possible to overtake in such an occasion, especially at Canada.[quote]

Garry , do you think that Robert is 2 seconds faster than Nick ?

Can you not see that the speed differential was due to Nick being on a one-stopper ?
Did you not hear Nick say they changed his strategy ?
Did you not see the laptime for Nick on lighter fuel was faster than Robert ?


Too right , Fousto , my man .
Nick stuck to the script , but wasn't happy about it .
.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Bagwan

Can you not see that the speed differential was due to Nick being on a one-stopper ?
Did you not hear Nick say they changed his strategy ?
Did you not see the laptime for Nick on lighter fuel was faster than Robert ?

---

You shouldn't take fastest laps all too seriously.

DC had 7th fastest lap and the Toyotas were no where and yet they got solid results because they called the strategy right and the drivers made the most of it.

Nick shouldn't have much too complaints regarding strategy because Kubica was lighter and was one of the first to pit, Nick was fuelled longer and could play with the strategy.

To give Nick a very slight benefit of doubt he wasn't on the best of 1 stoppers because he had to pit on lap 29, the Toyotas got as far as lap 39. Ideally you want to do a shorter last stint, not the other way round but there were SC periods.

Nick messed up. He has no one else to blame but himself, IMO.

I see in several threads there is a Battle of Giants - ioan vs Garry Walker! :D

I personally don't think we can quite say, who is the so-called preferred man in BMW. This year's car suits Kubica more, because BMW needed to take a change in design to extract more out of the tyres. But if Heidfeld starts shining, then I see no problem, why he shouldn't achieve top results too.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by wedge

Nick messed up. He has no one else to blame but himself, IMO.

---

What exactly did he mess up?! :confused:

After Heidfeld´s „let Robert pass for the championship“-move, the pit told Kubica “we´re racing Heidfeld” (not exactly the words, but the message was to be heard in TV). The next few laps Heidfeld lapped 2 sec slower than anytime before and after in this race, to hold up Alonso and to make sure that Kubica will be in front even after his second pitstop.

Its was blatant team order, nothing else. All we saw was a victory staged by Theissen.