The future of Scuderia Toro Rosso

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Why blame them? Rules is rules. You cannot expect most teams to pi55 money up the wall building designing testing etc their own chassis, when a majority cadge off their parent team and get it virtually for nothing.

Sadly, our esteemed leader of the FIA, said customer teams would be allowed, then changed his mind.......

Still, worse things happen at sea, take the Kursk for example........... :eek:

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The FIA is not the one who decides about this aspect, this kind of things are stipulated in the Concorde agreement, the where everyone has to agree in order to be signed.

So let's not put everything on Max's shoulders, will ya!?

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

I meant to write minority in my post...

Why do you think Force India are burying themselves?

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Well, with Torro Rosso and Supre Aguri gone, and customer cars outlawed, how far do you think Force India will go with their antiquated piece of junk?

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

Well, with Torro Rosso and Supre Aguri gone, and customer cars outlawed, how far do you think Force India will go with their antiquated piece of junk?

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All the way up to last place.....Face it, someone has to get beat up and finish last, even if F1 comes down to only Ferrari and Mac racing each other, and so it would seem that customer cars serve a very good purpose.

But the concorde agreement, being like a cartel agreement, has the participants wanting to get the biggest cut of the pie with most amount of profit vs. expenses. Fewer there, the more for the remainder. Problem is that those in the cartel wants to be a monopoly, and when/if that finally happens, well who wants to watch Ferrari racing Kimi against Massa all day with no one else there??

"Did u see that pass Kimi put on massa?? Wow made Massa look like he was just sitting there!!"
"err, he was just sitting there, cause he was in the pits getting fuel..."
:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by thunderbolt

no i am saying take the minardi plans (not the car it is just there to show it would not take much to do it) add on to it untill it is the same as redbull then use minardi factory to build them.

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The Minardi was a mishmash of whatever intellectual property Stoddy owned at the time mixed with untested aero parts and old engines!

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

Well, with Torro Rosso and Supre Aguri gone, and customer cars outlawed, how far do you think Force India will go with their antiquated piece of junk?

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But what makes you think Force India is "surviving" F1 thanks to SA and TR?

Force India is not looking forward to benefit from customer cars, surely they look like doomed to be the slowest team but at least they're not playing "I'm the B team" and I don't see them leaving F1 because they can't use (let's say) last year Ferrari's... they know they need to build their own car

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Originally Posted by jso1985

But what makes you think Force India is "surviving" F1 thanks to SA and TR?

Force India is not looking forward to benefit from customer cars, surely they look like doomed to be the slowest team but at least they're not playing "I'm the B team" and I don't see them leaving F1 because they can't use (let's say) last year Ferrari's... they know they need to build their own car

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That's not the question I asked, is it. The point I am making is that Force India will also need a customer car to remain in F1.

Simple solution is the greed vs cost issue.

Real car manufacturers should get a big bonus of the money

Customer cars get a much smaller cut of the pie to balance out the costs of development and construction.

So force India, gts a much bigger cut that STR....etc and so forth.

Otherwise it will be a very small field

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Originally Posted by markabilly

Simple solution is the greed vs cost issue.

Real car manufacturers should get a big bonus of the money

Customer cars get a much smaller cut of the pie to balance out the costs of development and construction.

So force India, gts a much bigger cut that STR....etc and so forth.
Otherwise it will be a very small field

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If Force India wishes to continue in F1 after 2010, they will have to go the customer car route; the alternative is there will be no Force India after 2010.

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

If Force India wishes to continue in F1 after 2010, they will have to go the customer car route; the alternative is there will be no Force India after 2010.

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all the more reason to recognize the need to permit customer cars.......

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Originally Posted by markabilly

all the more reason to recognize the need to permit customer cars.......

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