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Sorry.. But sod the variety!Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
I would rather watch 30-fire breathing, earth shattering V8 Supercars than 30 S2000 spec Touring cars any day of the week! :s mokin:
As yet NOTHING in the UK has come anywhere near them!
What I'd really like to see is V8Supercar VS DTM.
Unfortunately they've never run on the same track, they've come close - DTM in Turkey, V8Supercars in Bahrain...
I'd like to see that, just imagine it!Quote:
Originally Posted by JSH
S2000 are tame by comparison, completely different league.
There's a huge series in America, called Nascar! :D They're definitely silhoutte racers. I believe France's top racing series is a silhoutte one.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
I forget if Argentian's TC2000 has become silhoutte as well?
They are both rubbish, but Super 2000 is less rubbish. V8's are OK, but they need to run more races of Clipsal-type length. I personally quite like the cars in the Italian Superstars series, but nothing comes close to Super Touring.
Are you really being serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Magnusson
Yes, why wouldn't I be? Super 2000 is a failure. The BTC regulations were good, but they could have used bigger cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
This is the main fact which FIA creates S2000, let me remind from beginning, some cars(ETCC and many nationals series) are just put on SP cars racing with upgrades kits, in the case to attracting many Manuf. or privateers without high budget to join up.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamM
Unfortunately, the situation as we saw now are:
- Only join up SEAT and Chevrolet
- Volvo, Peugeot, Ford and Alfa Romeo are withdrawed already
- Honda is still semi-official
- Brilliance rumoured before but cancel the project due the unpreviewed high budget, just still remaining in China Circuit Champs.
So i think this rule isn't worther than old ST rules, S2000 almost "lie" us.
The other problems which we saw is: if without any support by manufacturer, is very difficult to be competitive if you want to convert any road car to S2000 spec with your own garage, ex: MB C200 in STCC and many Lexus IS200 in BTCC.
The other is problem of only allowing FIA homologation and 4 doors saloon cars in WTCC, for myself is "lying advantage" if you really want joining more manufacturers, we must remember many SP rule cars are just 2 doors, that's why it's more popular. But as we saw in some national series which leave out these rules then gain advantage for more car models and official teams, which introduced now S2000 nationals and S2000 WTCC specs, to put the races more interesting, ex:STCC has Audi A4, BTCC has Honda Civic and Vauxhall Vectra, ATCS has Mugen Integra DC5.
Maybe FIA note the problems happened, so now is rumoured to mixing S2000 with N4 cars like now in the rally, to try leaving the trouble of lack of manufacturers(mainly japanese cars) and privateers(cars tuners).
I think S2000 has done the best it can in the current financial climate. At the minute its unattractive for many manufacturers to develop new cars. Compounding this fact is the fact that sister companies are already racingQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Magnusson
SEAT piling money in the Leon TDi removes VW, Audi, Skoda etc from the equation
Chevrolet removes Vauxhall/Opel/Saab etc
The list goes on
But the fact that in the current BTCC we have nearly a full grid, (and even tho every driver isn't of a top standard, there is three distinct groups where battles on the track occur) means the rules must be successful to a degree
WTCC has a problem in its design, as if some manufacturers dont sell their cars in far flung places like Brazil etc, why should they spend all that money to fly their cars over there when National Championships are suitable enough. But then again the FIA don't help themselves the rule breaks for cars maybe good if your lagging behind a little bit, but no-one can gain a major advantage as it will be quickly taken off them, probably a reason why there is 6 Leons and more BMWs! The there is the FIA themselves, they dont help themselves by scheduling races on the same day as the national races BTCC:WTCC, why they did this god only knows, but the BTCC will always get the bigger audience, and again, why should teams pay to ship their cars all round the world to showcase them in front of crowds only half as big as the cheaper championship down the road
People may not agree with me, but listen up. Both of the FIA’s ‘lesser’ World Championships are struggling for more Manufacturers. So why not kill 2 birds with 1 stone – and have virtually identical regulations/cars for both series. For the WRC just add a Turbo/4WD. Then so Ford could use a 2L Focus in WTCC/BTCC, add a Turbo/4WD and use it for WRC. Or is this being silly. Both Championships have huge potential, but are being held back by restrictions/costs/etc