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Well, Mirek just said, why it matters to them, who don`t start a season with a two car team, one driven by a reigning 6x WDC. It is simply the second best thing, when the first one can`t be achieved. To be fair, Loeb was brought in to grab points from Tänak/ Ogier...like M-Sport and Toyota drivers helped/help their lead drivers and so help Neuville with his WDC.
Manufacturers title is for Manufacturers so therefore of course it means something to them.
Hyundai have always been after it and now they are desperate for it.
Citroen will want to win it too and I think will adapt to 3 cars if they see thay are in the fight.
Of course it means something. Nobody ever claimed otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
The thing is that you claimed it was more valuable than the driver's championship and that's not true.
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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Why not to accept that both titles are equally important? Manus rally involvement is due to brand awareness among the general public, not among motorsport fans. Average Joe only remotely knows what Rally is and can hardly remember one driver name.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
What mostly matters to the manus is to show that they’re able to be successfull on this tought sport in order to provide better products to Joe; eventually any WRC title will serve to underline that success.
If this year the manufacturers was just as important or even more important, they would be running 3 cars and the team principal wouldn't have said they are focusing on the drivers title for Ogier. It's really quite simple!!!!!!! Jeeeez...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
And that doesn't mean the manufacturers won't become an important target if it's winnable with an additional car, but it's clearly not the priority now or at the start of the season.
Don't even know why it's such a debate, when it's Eddie just not engaging his brain again...
It’s really quite simple, either: at some point the debate was no longer just about Citroen (or Hyundai) current situation but on the general value of drivers vs manus title.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Back to the thread; some curious info about Lappi and Ogier on Citroen media site: https://media.citroenracing.com/en/t...C3%ABn-secrets
Thing is, if a manufacturer wins the world manufacturers title, they can plaster it on every car advert in the press. A bit like Lancia used to have a wreath with every year they had won the wmc at the bottom of their adverts, albeit years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Of course, they can put the name and face of the wrc driver champion on their ads, but as Rally power says, it isn't going to mean much to the average Joe.
I think it’s got to the point where the drivers title is important to the drivers themselves and to the fans, but the manufacturers can probably get a bit more mileage out of the manufacturer’s championship, in terms of marketing....but only in some countries. i.e. Ogier winning is a massive deal in France (to the general public), but not the UK, but Citroen may get more out of marketing that they are WMCs to the general UK public than if Ogier wins a title.
I think this is an evolving change we are seeing and it certainly contrasts the worth of a Driver’s championship back in the days of McRae etc.
I guess either way though, a manufacturer still gets to claim ‘we are world rally champions’ whether they have won a WDC or a WMC.... and that’s probably good for manufacturer involvement as two teams can potentily get bragging rights.
Usual bullshit from Er88 when its a perfectly debatable subject and a reason why Citroen could soon employ a 3rd car (and out of work driver).Quote:
Originally Posted by er88