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Rules were not revealed for public yet but I believe it was meant to be something like R3T car with standard 4WD transmission and larger restrictor. No special wide suspension like in S2000, no bodykit, production-based engine (no direct injection required) etc.
It will be good to have something 4wd and cheaper than S2000 or RRCs but I am worried these cars will be too boring to watch like R3T or N4 cars. Any ideas on the minimum weight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Yes, every car can be spectacular but there are different starting points.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Of course the width of the car doesn't directly affect the spectacle, but the looks, sound and handling of the cars undoubtedly have an impact on the attractiveness of our sport.
I do welcome the FIA trying to create a formula for a cheap(ish) 4wd formula though for manufacturers without a suitable road car.
Looking at the group A cars in the beginning of 90s, they were spectacular without any wide body shells.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
I’ve seen spectacular driving with N4 cars but the sound. The sound doesn’t match how the cars are driven and that is why they look boring sometimes.
I think the new R4T cars will have a similar 4WD-system as S2000 and WRC cars (no central differential, 5-speed gearbox instead 6-speed as for S2000 and WRC)) and if they have enough power and not so high boost, the revs and the sound will be there. Even if the boost would be at the same level as the N4 cars have, their peak power would be on higher revs due to smaller engine capacity.
Bring in 18000 RPM rev limiters :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by OldF
And the rally cars would sound like a flock of bees. No thank you. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
I heard that most likely the restrictor size will be set to 32 mm. Now the R3T cars have 29 mm so with same boost we can expect reasonably higher rpm (I guess around 2 thousand more).
If DS3 R3T has 235 Hp with racing fuel than the estimated power of same engine with 32 mm restrictor could be around 280-290 Hp.
I couldnt care what power they have, my tractor at work sounds better and is more entertaining than these. Boring cars like the turbo Ds3s are bad for the sport....Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
See the first sentence. With such larger restrictor and presumably same turbo the rpm will be much higher and therefore also the sound much different.
Pls give R4T an exhaust system with enough sound throughput, and it will be ok!!
Meanwhile, the TTD came out of Sweden, Portugal and Mexico.
In Sweden, 23 tests with 6 in Norway, the longer PS PS2 Mitandersfors of a 27 km, will be the Hagfors powerstage of 4.66 km.
In Mexico 25 tests, we use the ps in the tunnels of Guanajuato, there will be a PS "monster" of 57 km Guanajuatito, but very long as the other PS Otates of 42 km timed. Powerstage final 8.28 km of Guanajuato
Programme du Rallye Wrc du Mexique 2012
Portugal has 22 tests in 4 days of competition, you start with the PS in Lisbon, the Serra de Santana PS 31km longer than the PS, the PS powerstage Sambro than 5 km
Wrc Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2012
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True, but standing still the wide body shell cars do look more attractive.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldF
Also true, which is why I hope Mirek's understanding of the engine rules comes to be true.Quote:
I’ve seen spectacular driving with N4 cars but the sound. The sound doesn’t match how the cars are driven and that is why they look boring sometimes.
I do find that N4 cars look physically heavy on the stage though. I hope R4T cars will have similar weight to S2000 or less.
Prodrive boss David Richards criticize the new qualifying mode :arrow: Richards kritisiert Qualifying-Modus | Automobil | MOTORSPORT aktuell
Malcolm Wilson thinks the same as Richards. Perhaps they should concentrate on creating the fastest package instead of asking for rules which hand them a performance gain.Quote:
Originally Posted by danon
Samba De WRC in Brazil :arrow: MaxRally | News | Carnival time for the WRC?
There are two projects, we revealed one of them here: Rally Emotion - WRC / In Brasile si fa sul serio: la Mouton sta valutando anche un piano BQuote:
Originally Posted by danon
Googlish here: Google Translate
The first one, between Sao Paulo and Rio, is developed by Daniel Oliveira's father, while the one I linked above it's designed by Dakar consulent (and former Biasion co-driver) Tiziano Siviero.
Volkswagen would be very happy with a Brasilian WRC. South America is a big market for VW, especially Brasil. Ford will also have interest in South America. Citroen has only reasonable sales in Europe?
Only in France! lol :DQuote:
Originally Posted by alleskids
Interview Sebastien Loeb during Test Days Monte Carlo 2012
Interview Test Days Sébastien Loeb Rallye Wrc Monte-Carlo 2012 - YouTube
What does he say roughly?Quote:
Originally Posted by jbmarcus21
speak about MC condition, prefer dry or lot of snow ... about new car is more nervous than C4. And speak one word about Mikko & Latvala maybe strong in MC ..
Great, thanks.
Not very likely. That was the next nearest National event to where i live, and friends were on the spot in just a few minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
Getting speared in the thigh with a broken door X bar which severed the femoral artery would have killed Mark even if the completely crushed skull didn't.
Bleeding out from that kind of wound only takes a couple of minutes. Or less.
Side impacts into trees do that
dont want to sound gruesome, but always wondered what exactly happened or if there was a coroners report. What happened to Roger? i take it it was a drivers side impact?
Some rumours:
> MINI looks near to close a 2-years deal with Red Bull.
> Nasser Al-Attiyah will start his 2012 season in Sweden, after a two-days test.
> Ben Sulayem could pick North One Sport with a group of investors from the Middle-East, so he resigned his FIA's Vice-President role, in order to avoid any conflict of interests.
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Originally Posted by Motorsportfun
Rumour talks also of 3 years deal with Citroën :confused:
Yes! Qatar will replace RB in the Citroen livery :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
That’s IMO possible if Citroen is taking the Qatar money next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motorsportfun
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Originally Posted by alleskids
Citroën's sales in Brazil are far behind VW, Fiat, GM, Ford, but are fastly growing up thanks especially to the C3 Aircross, minivan SUV(image of the marque, the car is liked by many young Brazilians,...) ;)
So yes, Citroën has plenty of interests if there's a WRC round in Brazil :p :
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Originally Posted by Mirek
More surprising is the following of the rumour: Citroën could replace Peugeot at...Le Mans(and WEC championship) :eek:
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Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
Hmm, I wonder why – Loeb has expressed a wish to do Le Mans, so Citroen don’t want him doing it with Peugeot, or even worse, another company altogether. So maybe they’ll switch from WRC to WEC.....
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Originally Posted by OldF
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Originally Posted by Motorsportfun
The bulls up to "Total" branding on the bonnet will be replaced by QATAR :)
Other news: Magneti Marelli will decide soon Luca Pedersoli's 2012 programme. The possibility of an 8-rallies programme is yet on the table! ;)
There's also a plan to put back Citroen at the Dakar Rally! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
Naturally there has to be one, but when I searched County Records most everything was locked down due to ongoing litigation---lawsuits (this is America, eh?).Quote:
Originally Posted by manta400
Several guys who were there in just 2-3 minutes said devastating side blow into BIG tree---we do have some big 'uns here in the North West--and estimated speed: who knows but it was right off the start, basically flat thru the gears. But very fast, and marbly.
(those big trees we have are also REAL TALL and so our roads are made to accommodate the big Kenworth Semi-trucks which haul the trees out long ways, often 25-30m long, so all the turns and junctions even are BIG and WIDE. so we have very high average speeds with local mid pack guys in very low spec old Golfs averaging 90 km/hr and many of the herd of Subarus averaging 110-114km/hr)
There was cage failure also. I don't know how much more failed than the door X bars cause I never saw the shell afterwards, but I has seen fractures and splits in other cars built specifically for what we must be honest and say "rich buy a ride guys pretending they're works guys who pay $32,000 per event just to beat a local guy in a 86 Golf" with works level needs, so the cars are built very lightweight. Scandalous...
And it may be that that is the point of litigation.
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The second project, anticipated by Italian mag Rally Emotion, has been revealed!
http://www.brasilrally.com/img/Comunicato_EN_nov_11.pdf
PARIS - French car maker PSA Peugeot Citroen said Wednesday it expects to post a significant operating loss for the second half of this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
Let's hope the Redbull deal with Mini will be reality soon then although it's a bit of a surprise because most logical it was VW that would have that support because of an earlier partnership in their Dakar Era but VW doesn't really need the partnership something what Mini is really missing a healthy and a very valuable partner!