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I wouldn’t sling any mud at Neuville, it’s on the team to make the call. Honestly, I wouldn’t want a driver in my team who ‘willingly’ gave up a win without being asked, as he doesn’t have the killer instinct required to get the job done.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
I do question the management of the team and if Neuville has been in their ear to keep the win, allowing him to influence them.
Maybe Tanak’s comment about Moncet going back to building engines has bitten him in the arse.
Different make of dampers?Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Wow, if so that is a strange decision to take part way through a season that is going so well.
Neuville made the same comment imhoQuote:
Originally Posted by doubled1978
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Tänak has been publicly criticizing the team a lot, even when things went well. He acts like he wants to leave the team. It's normal they don't hand him any presents now given his behaviour... The championship is pretty much lost anyway, against Kalle. Now they can try to secure 2nd and 3rd positions in the drivers championship.
Well, even if there can be some questions, great to see Hyundai achieving its 3rd consecutive win (4th of the season) and a 1-2-3. Shows they have improved a lot about the car and that we can wait for something really interesting next year if they find a good organization. And Sordo 3rd podium in 3 rallyes (5 consecutive including last year).
On Toyota, pretty disastrous rally even if it could have been even worse for Kalle in the championship and Katsuta achieved another top 6. But they will have to think about the end of the season, especially Kalle who must stay on the road now (maybe some team orders to wait in NZ).
same for M-Sport with Breen having the puncture but Loubet did some reasonable job with a new 4th position and a Good Friday. And they will clearly to take a look about the car because their reliability is really weak.
In WRC-2, big job by Lindholm to achieve a great win. Mikkelsen saves some points in the end but his mistake will probably cost him the title (with also the engine issues in the 1st half of the season).
And Rossel, in the end, it’s a disappointing season for him (2 high-consequence mistakes and one middle-consequence one): he has not able to prove that he can step up his pace while maintaining his reliability. He’s still at a good level for Rally2 but it needs much more to convince a Rally1 team to invest in you; not even sure he will be in Catalunya with no title hope (backing Camilli could be a better choice to target the win) and not sure Citroen will back him next year again.
Nothing important. As they were at the power stage podium, they received new time for liaison to next time control. So no penalties...Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Btw first time since Argentina 2019 that Neuville's won on gravel & as someone mentioned on twitter first time Hyundai takes three wins on the trot.
Both main drivers were, though Tänak was the louder one.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
But on the side note, a lot of HMSG workers are leaving from different positions, what I know it was worst in the spring.
It's kind of a mess from the inside to the outside.
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disgraceful showing of greek rally drivers... either worthless dogs that cannot drive a stage without 5 million passes... gormless fat soy boys that cruise because they have deals with sponsors to finish the event and tourists that do not belong in a rally car...
Tsouloftas ridiculed athanasoulas on every stage that was 5km away from his house, made him look like an amateur.
and the belgian guy makes Nombre look like tanak...
Greeks should be banned from entering acropolis rally... they should stick to their village events.
Greensmith has 36 points now.
Loubet has 30.
Fourmaux has 9.
Let's gooo!!
was seriously sick all the days,and before 10 days he had a surgery at his foot,that hadnt recovered at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by NOT
Greensmith has now gone ahead of Loeb & Ogier in the standings. Even in his standards his season is worse than last, although that unreliable Puma seems to be firing issued left, right and center.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrvold
One thing to keep in mind maybe - media is selling (and therefore also creating) scandals. A lot of things are not that dramatic like we can read from media - or you can see HOW and in what context those lines were said.
This is same here, Tänak is not happy about it, but I have not seen any major drama from his side. He is answering questions when those are asked. Hyundai management now need to be sure that Tänak's season will not go that well that he finishes the season less than 7 point behind Rovanperä.
I say again - Neuville deserved the win and congrats! Also Tänak said, that the main problem was he was out of real fight due the differential issues during friday.
One thing is actually interesting - that it was not Moncet who gave orders to Tänak, but some next level guy. We can speculate whatever here, but it would be interesting to know. It also reminds Tänak in Toyota - he talked directly to next level bosses, including Toyoda himself.
Tänak had hybrid issues Friday and differential problems saturday.
Btw that next level guy was Sean Kim.
yes thats why he was fast in stages 3 meters from his house and got beaten like a sack of potatoes in the others.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
i saw him in the test near loutraki (last years agioi theodoroi stage) last saturday along with the other hyundais and virves... he did not seem sick or had any problems walking.
You mean Hyundai's decision not to impose team orders being understood to be a team order itself shouldn't be the focus of 3 Dirtfish articles and 30 pages of discussion here? Well yeah I agree, but clearly we're bored.Quote:
Originally Posted by meh
Some pictures from Sunday: https://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bes...llye_2022.html
https://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2022/acropolis4/1.jpghttps://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2022/acropolis4/2.jpghttps://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2022/acropolis4/3.jpghttps://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2022/acropolis4/4.jpghttps://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2022/acropolis4/6.jpg
- Mikkelsen 25pQuote:
Originally Posted by Myrvold
- Solberg 21p
- Lindholm 14p
- Rossell 11p
* overall WRC points :)
- Serderidis 6Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
- Brynildsen 1
Those are a bit weird.
Regardless... I wish I knew why I became such a fan of Loubet some years ago, but I take what I get. Second 4th place this year and closing in on Greensmith. Can't complain!
Well he surely had road position advantage, but it's at least 2nd time this year (first was Portugal) where he is the fastest MSport besides Loeb for most of the rally, while seemingly being paying for everything.
I guess he only does Catalunya for rest of the year?
As it is now based only on performance I'd swap him with Fourmaux immediatelly.
Absolutely! Dirtfish is jumping on an opportunity like this to get a few extra clicks and on this forum it is mostly a big scandal because of the partisan nature of humans.Quote:
Originally Posted by meh
For NZ, Loubet would sound a better choice indeed; clearly, Fourmaux will have to scale back to bring the car home and gain confidence again whereas it’s the last rally where M-Sport can benefit the road position. So a driver with some confidence would be a better choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
For the two last tarmac rallies, it’s difficult to let Fourmaux’s potential out because they don’t have anyone else with this tarmac potential (and anyway, Loubet has paid for the Catalunya outing).
Where do you see a scandal? People are discussing things on this forum which is the basic principle in forums - discussion!Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
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Some people are discussing it, but Dirtfish clearly is trying to make a scandal out of it and judging by some posts in this thread, some people see it as a scandal.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
My pictures from a great Acropolis Rally 2022 - Thursday to Sunday: https://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bes...llye_2022.html
https://www.ir7.at/intro3.jpg
Congratulations to Hyundai, and to Loubet personally for making a very good case in his favor against Fourmaux for that third seat at M-Sport — I was certain his career had finished after his 2C stint last year.
But focusing on Toyota and Kalle, a huge disaster weekend for all three main drivers. Lappi's good pace is probably not enough consolation for a performance unworthy of the team they have been all season.
Whether it was setup problems, reliability problems, the testing new dampers or whatever, JML needs to regroup the team and come back stronger in NZ. Last time Kalle seemed so lost was on Monte Thursday night.
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A very beautiful Rally Acropolis, we enjoyed SS6 Livadia and SS8-SS11 Pyrgos in very nice spots.
We managed to enjoy Loeb twice, before his unfortune technical issue.
I am pretty sure that if the car didn't brake he would be in the fight for the win with Hyundais.
At Pyrgos SS8 was clear that he was on a mission like Tanak and Neuville also were. Fantastic drive.
Since he had a time advantage from Friday it would have been be difficult for the Hyundais to catch him.
Regarding Athanassoulas, I think NOT is not fair with him.
On Friday he was 1-1.5"/km from the time of the top drivers with Rally 2 cars. Not only at the stages near his house, but also on the others...
On Saturday's 1st loop he started with a time 1.5"/km at SS8 Pyrgos from the top drivers and continued with 2"/km at the other stages.
On Saturday's 2nd loop he was slower even than his 1st loop and at SS13 Tarzan he had failed power steering for almost all the stage.
The issue with his leg got worse stage by stage, from what we learned.
In my opinion, someone almost 46 years old, with no kms behind the wheel for years, except Acropolis 2021 and 2022.
When his leg was in better condition at the beginning of the rally, he was able to be 1-1.5"/km from the top guys then its enough and shows that this guy had and still has talent...
everything you wrote is right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yugo_para_siempre
And if you want my opinion ,yes Tsouloftas is faster regardless Lambros was in bad health condition almost all 3 days.
Oh, without doubt. But it's not like I can be picky about what to cheer for :pQuote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Yes, I agree, Tsouloftas is fast and even if Athanassoulas was in good health, it would have been very difficult for him to bit Tsouloftas.
But I do believe that a healthy-fit Athanassoulas, would have been able to be constantly 1-1.5"/km from the top guys.
Moreover if he had more kms behind the wheel, participating with a Rally 2 car in 3-4 local rallies, he would have been able to be less than 1"/km.
This team order discussion started here and with my friends way earlier than the DF published first news about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
DF as a publication ofc is milking the very last out of it and this is also very normal for every news outlet in the World.
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Exactly my thoughts.Quote:
Originally Posted by macebig
Once again NOT shows us he knows nothing about rallying. So according to him Toyota are the only professional team. How many times in 2016, before they even entered a rally, did he call them the village idiots that would fail on race day and then disappear into rallying obscurity.
His comments are just uneducated sensationalism trying to gain votes with the younger forum audience.
Anyway, I thought he was banned.
Well done Hyundai on a 1-2-3.
Yeah, i saw him put out normal, adult, posts before the rally, thats nice!
But in the end of the rally he is back as usual, sadly enough.
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I was wondering the same but as I added NOT to my ignore list, I noticed that it's a new account as the previous one (N.O.T) already was on my ignore list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maui J.
With Swedish female co-driver, Julia Thulin!Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Only on the last two rallies, with Aleks Lesk on the first ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
JWRC co-driver title went to Brian Hoy
https://twitter.com/FIAJuniorWRC/sta...37889207304193
And great to hear that Tänak has been helping Virves
Q: We just had Ott Tänak in the WRC press conference and asked him what he thought about you and your result, and he was full of praise for you. How much has he been supporting you and advising you?
RV: He has been supporting me financially this year, making it also possible just to start the season so yeah, it’s been a great help from him. And of course if I have any questions about how to do anything on the stages or whatever he is the first one that I text.
This is what I never liked. To have different champions betwen driver and codriver...Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
It's especially weird in the case of JWRC when the driver is the one who gets the prize.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
maybe it is already somewhere many pages ago, but link to "Acropolis Rally Greece 2022 Post-event Press Conference":
https://www.fia.com/news/wrc-acropol...-feels-amazing