190kph in a 90kph is not a slight indiscretion; it's a massive breach. So much for the FiA Road Safety campaign.....it's all a bit toothless. One wonders if a Junior driver did similar, what the sanction would be.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
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190kph in a 90kph is not a slight indiscretion; it's a massive breach. So much for the FiA Road Safety campaign.....it's all a bit toothless. One wonders if a Junior driver did similar, what the sanction would be.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Never really paid too much attention to these speeding fines because for a WRC crew the fine barely makes a dent.
Went through the sporting regulations and regarding fines:
And in the Stewards Decision No. 13, under Decision point 2, they say suspension for one event happens if "commits any speeding offence exceeding 30% or more of the applicable speed limit." So I presume the moment the Clerk of the Course starts looking at speeding is when it exceeds 30% the speed limit. In a 90 km/h zone it means exceeding the speed limit by at least 27 km/h.Quote:
34.3.4Penalties for infringements during the competition element of the rally:
a) First infringement: –Speeding: A fine of €25 per km/h over the speed limit, applied by the Clerk of the Course;–Other than speeding: A penalty will be applied by the Stewards.
b) Second infringement: –Speeding: A fine of €50 per km/h over the speed limit, applied by the Clerk of the Course;–Other than speeding: A penalty will be applied by the Stewards.
c) Third infringement: A 5-minute time penalty applied by the Clerk of the Course.
d) Fourth infringement: Disqualification applied only by the Stewards
If my presumption about exceeding speed limit by minimum 30% is the moment they start writing fines, then ... How the hell can they preach about road safety?!
I can understand tyre and brake warming, but absurd speeding regardless the reason behind it not. And €25 per km/h for a works crew/team... A slap would be more effective. In Crotia Ogier got 2000 Euros for ignoring a red light. So one red light equals speeding 80kmh over the limit.
If someone knows more about the practices of speeding fines, could you please share more how it actually goes?
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Originally Posted by meh
Yep, it wasn't quite exciting rally to be honest.
Very similar to Finland 2018, everything happened on Friday morning, after that the top 6 changed only through team orders.
For me the biggest disappointment was actually Evans. Beforehand I was expecting him to be clearly ahead of Ogier and Neuville and fight with Breen. In the end he was somewhat invisible the whole rally.
Maybe there is some truth in J. Porters speculation that Evans struggles with setup for soft gravel Pirellis as basically the whole rally was on them.
Suninen had terrible rally, but that wasn't entirely unexpected and he also had issues that weren't his fault. But even when car was working fine he was never clearly faster than Greensmith.
Rovanpera delivered, just like Breen (except almost ripping off a wheel on Saturday evening). Both have the same "problem" atm though. Only good results from fast gravel/snow rallies. Rovanpera has plenty of other rallies to do well on in the future, Breen is much more unsure.
Tanak's weekend totally reminded me of Meeke. Starts by jumping half car off the road on first run of shakedown. Gets puncture after off on SS3 (check onboard), then tops it by driving completely off on next stage.
But then we had the exiting fight between Mads and Jari for 2ndQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Rally Estonia 2021 WRC, Jumps, Beautiful Sideways
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVqErAXHXAw
Today with some technical issues brought a lot of stress in the car, twice the car wouldn’t start, and we were late to the TC two stages before the finish. At the end our gap was only down to 10s. We knew if there was a strategy to play we had to be with more than 10s ahead of Sébastien so the Power Stage was very crucial for us as well.
Q:
Was that lateness to the time control due to the starter motor?
TN:
Yes.
What about the next event in your home country, the Ypres Rally in Belgium, an iconic event… are you feeling alright by the way, have you got a bit of hay fever or something?
TN:
No, I don’t know. I’m struggling with a lot of pain in my right eye since this morning. It’s getting a little bit better. Martijn [Wydaeghe] was driving on the road sections because I couldn’t see anything. I didn’t feel well all day but in the end the job is done.
https://www.fia.com/news/wrc-k-rovan...rk-be-position
Can't see enough to drive the road sections but can see enough for setting 4 fastest stage-times? Sounds strange to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Which is why I said earlier and not for the first time, we need another manufacturer so another 3 drivers can challenge for top honours and make it more tense. 3 manufacturers is simply not enough, especially when one of them have 2 drivers(ish).Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
In Estonia with everyone pushing it was down to two manus and "also participated".
Speed is one thing, but the repeated water pump failures are something else.
Quite a change from the grand announcements at Gooodwood just before.
Erik Veiby about Neuvilles speeding
Erik Veiby
@VeibyErik
For us it would probably been 20 years in prison..@OfficialWRC
@OCVeiby
#nothavingcaruanteenrightplace
Well yes I tried sugar coating it, but like you said, they need to get their cars sorted (& drivers) for next year, what they have now just doesn't make the cut.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
In any normal case in here it would have been excursion to jail. I guess they made huge exception to Thierry.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
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Petter Solberg lost drivers license in Sweden (2010 or so) for much lower speed difference and Patterson had to drive the last Powerstage due to that.
Imo FIA is way too tolerant of this. There are many blatant examples last few years. Ogier in Poland 2017 with 190 on LiveMaps (he also took a roundabout the wrong way on purpose and only got a fine), Hanninen Finland 2017+++
"I got technical problem and have to catch up..."
Technical problem is part of the rally, if driving at legal speeds would result in penalty and they make it up by speeding they should give them the same penalty anyway. With the tracker it should be simple check.
When Solberg lost the license, they were caught by police? FIA probably cannot take your license and police can't use only FIA's tracker as evidence?
I agree that this is a problem and in situations like this time penalties should be applied so you couldn't gain time by not getting road penalties by speeding.
Police yes. He got 24 hours to keep the license and the time was up before PS.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Police can't use tracker as evidence. But in terms of timepenalties afaik FIA can do essentially what they want. As confirmed by all kinds of stewards/coc decisions.
at least he didn't say couple of fk and sht words about tyres..
continued to race between people and police also..
https://www.facebook.com/10000190701...6916265236661/
https://www.facebook.com/706495471/v...5060955106696/
OK, let’s not exaggerate. Last vids do not show anything bad or uncommon.
First one sounds a bit like stagemode?
Sweden 2011, to be precise..Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
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If this videos show him driving to start of the stage, then FIA have to disqualify him for rest of the year. This is insane!Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
To much cars and people to be at stage.
F..king hell, FIA have to do something!
A fine is to piss on everything and everyone in this sport!
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Just a bit of perspective:
In Estonia it's pretty common to arrest speeding foreigners and send them out of the country after the serving with an entry ban. But since it was FIA, not local police, Thierry got lucky:
One example of a russia who was doing 161 in 90 kmph zone
https://news.err.ee/851805/russian-c...d-from-country
I see now 2 kind of reactions: from Greece (south) it's nothing and from Norway (north) you have to ban him almost forever :D It couldn't be more apart as you can see.
I'm personally OK what FIA decided and just let it go.
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by cali
Neuville changes wheels and adjusting suspension after ss14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1PPEQfFqsA
“When the grip is quite constant, we can manage quite well, but we do struggle with some issues on the new car where I have to be honest and say that I probably have done some mistakes on the development of the car and I can feel that now,” he said.
“I could feel it already in Portugal to be honest, so I think we just have to try to understand and probably turn our heads around to sort this as quickly as possible.”
Asked what area of the car was troubling him, Østberg said: “On the differential side, so I struggle a lot when the grip is changing.
“I try to drive as fast as I can all the time, and to me I’m driving to the limit of the car all the time, and when we have grip we are faster than anyone, and on other stages when it’s changing around, for sure we are losing a lot of time. Much more than normal. And it feels the same to me.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/ostbe...-after-issues/
I almost got lost in the article.
So:
- the car difs are badly developed
- the brake pipes get ruptured all the time
- the calipers? cause the brakes to suddenly stop working
On top of that he said he had intercom issues and broken front suspension on SS5.
I mean it surely is possible he had all those issues. But one has to wonder why he has a ton of issues on basically every WRC rally he does.
Here in Estonia the puncture on SS6 was from mowing down a concrete anti-cut (3:52 onboard), the second one on SS15 I am not sure, there are some hard hits between 4 and 4:20, but maybe I missed something.
Mads was always on excuses when he dont win.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Can't help myself but this image looks very comical to me. Russian invasion of Estonia stopped by those British tanks on top :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
porky is alive after the roll.
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2021/phot...s_dsc_8701.jpg
Are you ok with this?Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Terrifying.
This is driving that will make rallying banned in several countries if it continues.
FIA actually disqualify Veiby rest of season to make a point, but this is ok......
Wonder what would happen if this was a unknown lokal guy? I can tell you that the reaction would been totaly different.
Østberg had to make a "i'm sorry" video when he said "f..k pirelli", this is on a quite different level!
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seems like you all never witnessed a liaison between stage, especially the bits near the starts. I've seen worst things than the shown video even at Monza show!!! : )Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQwzC444ZNk
to be clear: not justifying such a big breach, but everyone is basically speeding on liaison, burning red light, invading opposite track overtaking where forbidden, using the emergency lane, slaloming, drifting, being escorted by police to overtake traffic jams (just to mention things I witnessed personally). most of the time, liaisons timiming are impossible to target without speeding in the traffic...
This image, his story on this rally, being largely ignored by the WRC(+, at least) again, trouncing everyone on his Baltic stomping ground, really perfectly sums up Lukyanuk's career.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Everyone knows the likes of McRae, but for the rallying hardcore following the sport today, we'll never forget Lukyanuk!
Yes, even if it's terrifying to you I'm OK with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
To greeks this is absolutely nothing ;) if my statement was terrifying I cant even imagine what this is to you ;)
I'm not living in a fantasy world where wrc stars are not speeding - it happens for whatever reasons. Thierry had his reasons and while it wasn't nice and to you "terrifying" it was dealt accordingly by FIA. It's over now, no need to cry about this or Mads case (I found the decision in his case also justified) or Veiby (justified) anymore.
One solution is to make liasions more realistic. It would help a lot.
I still remember one finnish hypocrite member here who wrote to the FIA once...
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I've been around rallying for 25-30 years, i've grown up in the middle of the stages at Rally Finnskog and i've know pretty well how this has been thru the years.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
But times has changed, this is not ok anymore. If we wan't rallying to continue in the future, such stupidity has to end.
I have also done speeding at liasons, but 20-30 km/h is one thing, this is on another level, this is utterly madness and some real bad judgment.
Its quite easy to end it to, more time on liasons and harder punishments.
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