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These statistical growth numbers are always a bit PR driven. No one is telling what kind of methodology they used to count those numbers. I know that one way that has been used is counting the TV channels their show is broadcasted and then they are taking average viewers numbers of these channels from that time-slot when show is live. At the same time, the number of TV channels is growing in many countries, especially in China and India and it is very easy to show growing numbers when you have more channels broadcasting. From my point of view, I haven't seen any races for 10 years already, I have absolutely no interest, I know that there is Ferrari, which is probably the best car and then there is also Mercedes competing, I think also BMW and I am not sure, but I think Red Bull has also one team there.. And I think that among my friends, my knowledge is way above average :) And my kids? they have no idea what is the meaning of F1, my son thought that it is some kind of perfume and hotel chain:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
True
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amd true
https://www.ompracing.com/en_gb/news_bell2019eng
Same here as with car factories, more amd more end up in the same places. More and more owned by China!
its just that people who like motorsport are not the ones who complain about it being not green. and the ones complaining about it will never like motorsport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
environmental awareness is just an excuse they can use, just like safety of noise or whatever they can invent. it would be stupid to give in to people who don't care when it's not in front of their own door.
COVID happened... and the change towards electric accelerated a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom K
Suddenly the 2022 rules kind of fall in between...
Suninen: "Home rally ahead soon in the Arctic scenery. ❄ ���� As I don't have a real experience of the rally, we can't really talk about home-field advantage though. Going to be a serious wintry rally challenge!"
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Salou remaining the base for Rally Spain http://www.rallyracc.com/2019/en/noticia_2407.html
Great place! Love it and will try to go back there. So far my favourite rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
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i have kinda the same idea, depends on the situation of course, was there in 2017.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/the-h...e-of-wrc-2022/
The 2022 Rally1 cars will likely be slower than current WRC cars.
I know some people will not like this. However, the current cars are already the fastest ever, with not much margin to make them any faster.
To be honest, it doesn't bother me too much; as long as you get good competition. Which might be an issue.....
The new Toyota Hypercar is slower than the older TS050 LMP1 car.... that doesn't bother me either. However, they will be getting the manufacturers to make it work.
,,We need new cars! They have to attract new manus and should be cheaper!''
,,Oh, let's make new cars that are slower, heavier, technically more complicated and still very expensive!''
So, at the end a little buffed up R5s would be as fast as new hybrids..?
Version with Lloret de Mar was better ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Never been there so I can only take your word for it. But I have really enjoyed my time in Salou and Rally RACCQuote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
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They could have made Rally1 cars even faster than current WRC cars if they wanted. But they decided to take some things back to cut costs (and to reduce the speed). I believe the cars will look more spectacular with no active centre diff and less suspension travel but the same amount of power as now.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
Have the WRC ever talked about a budget cap as they are introducing in F1? I can’t say I have heard anything, but I might have missed it.
A lot of the other big series are either targeting the overall expenditure or designing the regulations so it’s impossible to out develop the competition (Balance of Performance), so the need to do so is removed.
I don’t know what Hyundai and Toyota spend, but I’ve seen figures anywhere between €50m and €100m a season talked about, which is a lot. If there was an overall budget cap of say €30m, do you think it would encourage more people to enter?
F1 has an budget cap but a $200 million entry fee for new teams to make it "special" they might ditch for the new Monaco based team that wants to enter though
Active center diffs maybe, but how will less suspension travel by more exciting, they'll just have to be more careful over jumps.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
They cannot just go flat out over every jump, but instead try to find the limit where the car is still controllable at the landing, and sometimes overshooting, resulting in rebounds. And possibly this affects cutting corners as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by flykas
ill never judge before i see the cars first, but reading this i somehow had flasbacks how i saw Al Quassimi driving against the TOP guys at rally finland.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
simply saying, very slow and boring
I like this approach, you can only get surprised positively.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Yeah that’s true, and they don’t allow new teams to take any prize money in the first year as well don’t they?Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
But for WRC do you think a cost cap could work? I know there are already some loopholes I can think of that would pose a problem, such as the cars being entered in non WRC events by satellite teams and such which don’t exist in F1.
But if the cost to compete at the top is a barrier to entry for others, is it something that could help?
I thought we're having that right now, essentially, with the COVID-shortened events. Friday has shakedown and maybe 1-2 stages. Saturday is a full day with a live TV stage, and Sunday is a short day with the power stage finale on TV.Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
We cannot compare F1 methods with rallying because the sport operates differently, there's special stages with liaisons, which takes time, and the cameras have to follow the cars compared to a racing circuit where you can have one camera shooting all the laps at one sitting.
But if we want do use your F1 analogy, power stage is "the 90 minute race". At the end you get the results and although the overall situation rarely changes, you get the excitement of the power stage points.
You know why that is. We cannot have a 300 km special stage, there needs to be liaisons and services. But WRC doesn't take three days to complete 300 km, the rallies are usually over 1000 km long with the liaisons included. The 300 km of special stages take about three hours to run ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tauri_J
I've had long talks with rally organizers and looked at the itineraries in close detail, there isn't really many ways to pack more stages into rally days than there is now. At least not on the scale where it would make a difference. EDIT: also see the post below.
This is nonsense. Basically you want to run only city stages? Although I don't understand how the onboard quality (on All Live) is affected by the terrain. They have the transmitter aeroplane flying over the stages, and the distance to the ground is equal in cities and forests. The only exception is on mountainous rallies like Monte where a mountain can be between the car and the aeroplane, resulting in signal blockage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
It's a big dilemma for rally organizers to have the service park in a place with enough room and infrastructure for all teams to set up (there needs to be hotels and restaurants as well) but close to the stages. And some countries have their own regulations for liaison average speeds (Italy and GB come to mind) which make the liaison times usually longer than necessary.
Yeah I though about the rebound situations, might be some good moments, bet the suspension of current cars is so spectacular, its crazy how in Finland the car is in the air for half of the time:] I am afraid that might be toned down a bit.
That looks cool to WRC
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OT but remember this clearly from 2007: My friend wondered how can any driver be two minutes slower than his teammate in a single stage!?Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Well yes, Al Qassimi lost 2 mins to Grönholm on both runs of Ouninpohja. That Is A Lot.
This is allegedly a Subaru version of the GR Yaris isn’t it? The next Mazda2 is gonna be based on the standard Yaris and Suzuki are making more and more badge-engineered Toyotas, perhaps in dream world we could have a new Subaru WRX, Mazda2 MPS and Suzuki Swift SuperSport all based on the GR :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
In 2016 Ouninpohja was run similarly to 1994. Al-Qassimi equaled Kankkunen’s stage win of 1994, albeit losing 1:21 to MeekeQuote:
Originally Posted by abcrally
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results...2016/?s=119438
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results...y-1994/?s=7747
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Originally Posted by AnttiL
Precisely, and thats such a problem aswell since those 90 minutes do not represent at all the hard work all crews have putted in all weekend, specially when all cruise on PS when the gaps are more os less controlled.
Not exactly, what I think the sports needs is properly located outside cameras and good quality broadcasts, it is so lazy to fall always on onboard action.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Think again, power stage gives points, you cannot just cruise. Besides, like Sardegna 2018 or Monte 2019 has proven, you can decide the winner on the power stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
How are you going to solve this? By spend more money to put a cameraman in every corner of the rally? Or by driving over and over again the same short stages so you never fall out of camera sight? Besides, if you ever watch the TV stages, they mostly show external footage. And All Live has also the helicopter.Quote:
Not exactly, what I think the sports needs is properly located outside cameras and good quality broadcasts, it is so lazy to fall always on onboard action.
C'mon dont be so naive, you now perfectly well only Ogier and maybe Tanak push close to limit to gather PS points while leading, the rest tend to cruise while in that position (very rarely unfortunately as we know).Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Why not?! Wasn't this been done before? Less sometimes is more and I dont think we should sacrifice quality just to have every single stage live (and again, as we know, sometimes that promise is not delivered).Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Does is cost more?! It does, but so do the hybrid cars. Cost is relative when the gain is clear
Weird to see how who have personally seen it happen in the past still claim that it would be impossible.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
20 years ago they did a 400km monte carlo in 3 days. Nowadays they need 5 days for 300km's.
Even as far as 2013 we had a 470km long monte in 4 days.
So no, there is no reason why it can't done. Only excuses to obscure why they don't want it to be done.
Lets have some drones follow the cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
the only drone that can do this is...an helicopter! ; )Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
20 years ago they had remote service areas which allowed more stage kilometers. With central service setup WRC has now, it's not possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
What is this 5 days rally? Without COVID we would have a four-day rally, which is essentially a three-day rally since Thursday and Sunday are not full rally days. And that format allowed rallies to be 400 km long just a few years ago. But as the rallies shortened from 400 to 300 km the formats remained the same, only the longest stages were exchanged for shorter ones. To me this is not a big difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
But Monte 1998 had only 359 stage kilometres ;) People tend to think rallies were wwwwaaaaayyyy longer in the past, but really the difference is subtle.Quote:
Originally Posted by sti123
wasn there a rule from FIA few years ago that the rally cant have more than 350 stage kilometres?
I don't understand what you mean now. The All Live team has a fixed number of cameras and cameramen. They move from stage to stage so we get a bit of external footage from maybe every second stage. We cannot exchange this into something where we see one stage covered from beginning to the end because they would need 2-4 cameras per kilometre.Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
The cost of the cars is an investment of the teams (or car manufacturers). The cost of the fotoage is an investment of the WRC promoter. They are not exhangeable.
I would have to disagree. For example Rovanperä winning the power stage in Sweden 2020 was a big show. Also Sardegna had a very close podium in 2020. Power stages have been quite dramatic during the last four seasons. Maybe third drivers like Sordo sometimes get the order to just finish the rally, depending on the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44