Well at least this is a completely new stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by dodge33cymru
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Well at least this is a completely new stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by dodge33cymru
There was sort of unwritten spectator rule few years back that you never go to the first stage of Monte because it won't run. This time it moved to the first morning stage...
I don't agree with that; gender or 'machoism' have nothing to do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
Lack of context in stewarding on the other hand... they're limiting more and more places so no wonder people feel they have to move around - if they allowed people to stand in safe spots (e.g. raised banks and walls) instead of blanket applying a rule, there would be fewer issues IMO.
I really want to see pictures of a lot of fans standing in unsafe positions, what caused a stage cancellation. And I bet it's not too bad to cancel it.
Well eventually when enough people follow that rule, the first stage will be free enough to run. Maybe it became second stage, and now third instead ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I've stood on plenty of stage sides, and know some of the spectator zones and marshalls/safety crews can be a bit OTT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
However if I was in a massive crowd on a very fast high speed section and everyone was told to just move back a little or the stage is binned, what's the point in not moving? So you can massage your own ego/ claim you know better, just for the stage to get binned for everyone else watching in "safer" places or around the world. It's probably going to have a massive effect on the rally too, with the tyre choices made around needing studs for SS3.
It's pointless
Lets all just agree that Mouton is a bad person.
I've just gone wandering. Was stood on a perfectly safe bank, nowhere near a corner with a ditch and 5m between me and the road. Because of the bank, moving 10m further back means I couldn't see the road. Start again...Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
yep. And I know that "20m back or you died" not backed by anything, or "you don't permited to walk into that forest cuz I'll been instructed to not let anyone in".Quote:
Originally Posted by Tauri_J
1) Marshalls on site havenīt done their job.
2) Mouton didnīt do her job. Should have stayed at sight until they got further back. Instead she stopped at finish and yelled...
Instead of blaiming the spectators how about we look at the good examples on the calendar? Portugal has it all figured out when it comes to spectator safety, ofcourse for those watching it makes for a considerably less enjoyable race, but the example is there and it is very simple to copy it. Ofcourse the real truth is when it comes to MC organizers they cant be bothered.
Do you remember the incident with the Clio in that Italian rally in Valle d'Aoste (forgot the name of the rally but it is irrelevant) a few years back?Quote:
Originally Posted by dodge33cymru
People stood on an embankment a bit away from the road, nowhere near a corner.
The clio came flying anyway and one girl had to throw herself back not to get the car over her.
Embankments of only one meter are not safe.
It`s not easy to copy, beacuse roads and scenery are different.
:champion: my God!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
at the end, it's still the dumb spectators, who ruined the stageQuote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
No one can change voluntary crowd behavior, but one can certainly take appropriate measures to force them to comply.
Itīs all about speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
next stage will start 10.33 local time
Yep, that`s what they did. strictly implying that we won`t get any rallying when you don`t follow the orders.
No, it is not. Well ofc, in a way it is, but you don`t need speed when you have slick tyres and snow/ice...and speed isn`t an issue when it`s big on a straight, flat landscape with studded tyres.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Found it... This oneQuote:
Originally Posted by dodge33cymru
https://youtu.be/qlLolGuqo9o
Embankments need to be higher than one meter to make them safe. Things happens on straights also, especially in a rally where grip levels are inconsistent and the asphalt bumpy.
I don't like how Portugal sorted it out. I think that if organizers tell you to move you should move. End of discussion. If you are in bad place they cancel the stage and it's all your fault. Sometimes organizers can be too strict? Yes but I don't think this is the Mouton case. I've been in Monte twice and she has always been flexible and used common sense. Something that spectators in bad places should do as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
So it's about 20 minutes delayed.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
It is absolutely stupid to be seated while watching rally. Especially sitting on the bank, it's just suicidal. You should always expect the unexpected and be prepared to escape. But then again, I wouldn't go on a one metre bank on the outside of a fast corner even standing up.Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
Well why did they then cancel? I would imagine it's the last thing they want to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by KKS
While you're there, make sure your stage doesn't get cancelled as well, look after others who might be in a bad place. I'm sure you want that as much or even more than us at home watching All Live. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by dodge33cymru
It will likely happen again, and again....
Too many fans trying to spectate in the same stage. Why not try running more stages and/ or over a greater geographical area...
Some of the comments here are just plain stupid. was she supposed to stop there to make them move and delay the stage?
Fact is some spectators are just ignorant and they do not listen, she did the right thing. If some one was killed or injured you all would get on about how the sport is not safe and Michelle did not do her job.
Regardless of sitting or standing, they could have tripped while trying to run away too. Being on that low embankment to begin with was stupid. The only smart ones were the ones further up the hillside.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Then we would get complains from spectators and teams, why they have to spend so much time driving on public roads and service...
The amount of meathead police with guns in Portugal tends to do the trick. The stage/road is lava over there. You can't step on it. That's one way to lock down a rally. Certainly isn't my preference but you didn't ever feel like a stage would get cancelled. Even with big numbers of people. From my experience of that event anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
On rally finland they have relaxed the rules for spectators quite a bit. Most behave well with freedom, but I have witnessed some horrible examples where only luck has been saving them. Worst is lying "hidden" on a ditch at a corner and then also people standing 1 m from road at the landing of a big jump. I think MM etc do mainly good work, shame that it has to go that far as cancelling stages.
The safety organization there have learnt from the past unlike this one. We all remember what Portugal used to look like with the sea of spectators dividing as if struck by the staff of Moses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
Is rally radio working for you? 3 minutes then I have to restart it.
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Fair play. It's larger than a metre because it's taller than I but will post a photo later and let you judge :)Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
Here's hoping that's the last cancellation anyway.
And also a number of dead bodies.Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
Is stage starting? BT are still showing preview programme.
Who said Michelle should do it? Don't mark other people as stupid with more stupidity. Police and arrests will certainly do the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by logic
delayed until 10:33 for nowQuote:
Originally Posted by RS