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PR may work against Toyota at the moment - current message is "the World Champion didn't want to continue with the team" and it's up to everyone to interpret, why so. At the same time, Hyundai stole the glory. Quite sour title for Toyota at the moment, in the future - the fact stays, related emotions probably not.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
Think it all depends on the manu title.
If Toyota gets it they can still get maximum PR, you know winning both and best in the world etc. and that "one guy" is leaving, won't be so important.
If they loose the manu title it would be almost like they won nothing at all.
Tanak's swap to Hyundai has pissed on their chips big-time. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
That's their fault. Like in some other companies. If good and quality workers are leaving voluntarily than it must be something really wrong. And bosses could do anything, I mean really anything to keep them, but they don't. Like in this case.
Just to remember that when Michael Zotos left after some few months when yaris project started ,it was so strange for plenty of us.
Zotos was Makinens chief engineer at Mitsubishi days.
I think that TM probably thought that his bargaining position was stronger than it turned out to be. 1st - everybody agreed that Yaris is best car at the moment and it would make sense for Ott to stay; 2nd - Neuville and Ogier having signed contracts with their teams means that only MSport is viable alternative but their budget is not comparable to Toyota; 3rd - going to Hyundai or Citroen didnt seem like serious option, more like distraction, as at least in recent years usually every team tries to have one star driver and support drivers - having 2 stars in same team is very expensive and possibly damaging for climate. So one could forgive Tommi in playing it hard and calling Otts bluff until it turned out not to be bluff after all, but by then damage was done.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
Yes, it's indeed strange, especially if I compare with Škoda milking the far less valuable WRC2 titles in every second advertisement (at least here).Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
I also believe this. Tommi thought he could get Tänak cheaper because he thought Tänak couldn't/wouldn't go elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Indreq
I guess there's been some stuff going on in Estonia, but considering how crazy the fans are I'm surprised we haven't seen something like Petter's welcome home in 2003. Anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
The Skoda rally commercial has been running on TV even in Norway
https://www.facebook.com/Injection.n...epa=SEARCH_BOX
Tänak wanted this time to come home quietly without disturbing.
Welcome home and title party will be after Australia.
I think the apparent change in speed of the Yaris after the wing modifications also might have had a role.Quote:
Originally Posted by Indreq
This kind of stuff will not going to happen in Estonia. Petter is entertainer, he enjoys it, he fires it up and this is his way to do it. Tänak is quite opposite, he prefers to come out from rally car and disappear to forest to be with family (or at least without public attention).Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
2020 Yaris GR-4 coming...
https://www.evo.co.uk/toyota/yaris/2...and-a-true-wrc
Well Latvala and Tanak both mentioned that modification done to rear wing had made very minor difference, speed has been the same it just seems like other teams have caught up bit more.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
They surely keep their promises; this Yaris homologation special was announced 2 years ago: https://www.motorsportforums.com/sho...ing-WRT/page24Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
It’s a sort of 2 in 1; their new WRC gets an improved base and general costumers can now buy a WRC related car, just like in Gr.A days.
The rumour is now Toyota have a 20% stake in Subaru they are jointly developing the next generation Subaru STI, and that the 4wd system could be used in both the Subaru and a hot Yaris, so this may well be a 4wd model.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Tänak typically lead by 30-40 secs before launch on Saturday on almost every rally between Finland 2018 and 2019, then suddenly a month later he is fighting with both Neuville and Ogier for 2-3 secs per stage max. Similarly stages with average speed over some 120 kph used to be Toyota 1-2-3 in that period, that doesn't happen any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by able1
Note that Hyundai and Citroen did no changes (homologation) to their cars since Finland. Toyota had to resize the wing.
Toyota team will off course claim the wing did nothing at all, cause following different rules than other teams for 2,5 years is rather problematic. As you might recall it seems the whole WRC allive crew got a gag order about it too. Not a single mention when the very different wing arrived in Turkey, while they used a lot of time to comment on Hyundai adding one extra small fin for Finland.
Nah, Makinen just told their drivers (I mean Tanak): put foot of gas pedal so it can be more fun 😅
Yep, Toyota doing what the fans want. Hopefully other manufacturers will follow this trend. The Group A days were great with All-Tracs, VR-4's, Integrale's, Cossies and Subies...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Confirmed... its 4WD. Basically a Lancer or STI made by Toyota which is awesome!
This negative talk against TGR is going on and on. Quite boring really. It's quite questionable whether TGR lost Tanak or the other way around. Soon we'll see...
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Toyoda:
"I will set a goal for next year: In 2020, we will all celebrate together for achieving all the titles at the final round in Japan. So let’s keep fighting together again next year."
https://toyotagazooracing.com/releas...c/1114-01.html
Unpopular opinion, but I'd still say the best, though undeniably high risk, option for TGR is to put all their faith in Latvala. Pending he clears his head during the off-season ofcourse. Make JML the #1, let Kalle learn in the third car and hire whoever is suitable for the #2 role. And no, this can not be justified based on 2019, but IMO there's still more unused potential in Latvala than there is in Meeke for example. And Evans, even with all his seasons in WRC, I feel is still a bit too green to take the #1 role. Anyway, not an easy one for Tommi...
I always count on you to be as big a fan of Latvala as me :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
You are soo sooo far away with that oneQuote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
You don't change a man after so many years. Latvala has passed his high and hasn't been able to match with the bests both mentally and also speedwise since he had to take more risk to keep the pace of Sebs (unless he was in his day but that happened only once in a while). I like Latvala as a person and as a driver, I remeber his best year, in 2014 when he was not far from Ogier after Alsace and a few rallys left. That year was his high, together with his first year in Toyota but if you want to win you need something more than raw speed, that's what Tanak got after the DMACK season and Latvala never got unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
Toyota should hire Ogier if they want to win the championship but I don't know how difficult it is or if it is feasible due to Tommy being the boss, I'm not following the silly season this year.
I would say JML is most mentally fragile top driver at the moment. Which is sad and bit strange. Most drivers mature and become stronger (Tänak being perfect example), at later years just lose some edge (Loeb) but they dont usually fall apart like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
He gave everything he had to win the championship. One should just admire him for that. Now he knows that he will never win it. Tanak being faster than him already in his first rallys in Toyota just put an end to all his hopes. Without that motivation he lost some speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Indreq
so thats why Toyoda was confident....they will have Ogier nowQuote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Toyota GAZOO Racing WRT
@TGR_WRC
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Our season ends traditionally with a trip to @ToyotaMotorCorp headquarters which is located in Tokyo, Japan.
All drivers received a special memento from a Yaris WRC engine that were important for them.
The special memento is a piston from Yaris WRC engine:
@JariMattiWRC Rally Australia 2018 winning engine
@KrisMeeke Rallye Deutchland 2019 triple podium
@OttTanak Rally Spain 2019 a place where he was crowned as a new WRC Champion
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJzQ2IuX...g&name=900x900
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJzQ2IxX...jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJzBK3HU...name=4096x4096
1,000 words
but here they look very happy KiwiWRC ;)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJ0Ig-fX...pg&name=medium
Except Järveoja :D
I wonder if Toyota/ Tommi managed to convince Ogier to maybe sign up for more than just one year?
Ofcourse that would go against everything Ogier has said, but maybe the lure of driving that Yaris has been an incentive to stick around a bit longer.
I dont think so. He is not so strong and stable anymore . Only reason why Toyota hired him is to get title(s) back to the team but as we know. Its hard when car is crap and as Ott sayd in RACC that rivals are making strong progress and his really need to push to keep ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Toyota is somehow backed to the corner with that move. When they have no real lead driver then it would be hard to explain why to be in wrc.
The team dynamic between Ogier and Tommi+Mia will certainly be very interesting to follow next year.
That´s "old" yaris 2017 with Finnish reg-plate, all cars this year had Estonian plates.
edit.
Actually it´s chassis #6 (SP-1006 this year), last used in Rally Turkey by JML , but still original 2017.
why the deal Toyota Ogier havent announced yet,after citroen withdrawal?
tomorrow the reports say
Maybe they postponed it after the
Märtin interview?
Today, TGR’s official twitter account liked and quickly unliked my silly season tweet from last week which predicted Ogier, Evans and Rovanperä to drive for Toyota :D