My guess is Ogier will stay and M-Sport will centre on him for the 2018 Driver's title.
They wont worry about the Manu's after winning this year.
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My guess is Ogier will stay and M-Sport will centre on him for the 2018 Driver's title.
They wont worry about the Manu's after winning this year.
I'd say the respect is mutual.
When he went to the factory he made a point of introducing himself to everyone, cleaners included that took longer than was planned.
He's seen as a gentleman & maybe there's just something about a smaller group of people that'll come on over their Xmas hols to make changes to his car because of who he is & what he's done to this team. There's not a lot of work in that corner of Cumbria.
They've had everything they could want as shown by the recent two day test in Wales. After the tank comment I've never heard a bad word said.
But look at M-Sport. They've so much going on in their racing series that they compete in across the world & of course their rallying side.
Is it like a family-I'd guess so & is there a lot of extra time away from home doing PR ? I doubt it.
Would you step out of the championship winning team in any other form ?
No & the sensible choice is another two years there, developing the car more to his style & long may the dream continue.
I would expect VW to use Romain Dumas as the driver for the VW Pikes Peak Electric.Quote:
Originally Posted by ESTR
Any chance VW might build two cars and use R Millen as well who has driven electric up Pikes Peak before?
And why they won't worry? Sure they will if they have the chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Because if they can keep Ogier they wont be able to afford another top driver, so their Championship chances will be low.Quote:
Originally Posted by ESTR
Tänak drove for free. I imagine there is loads of driver who would drive for free. Even Slowberg.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
They have Evans and he have some good results this year: 6, 6, 9, 2, 6, 8, 2, 6, 7 (with DMACK tyres). And 2 more round to come. I'm sure he will score some good scores, now with Ott gone he is obvious 2nd driver in the team so he would get Michelin rubber and be maybe even better next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
All will be different if Ogi will left, then they are screwed...
They are not driving for free, they still have payed a lot more in one year than most of you guys will ever get payed in lifetime... It's just not as high as Ogier like 10 millions per year...
In a factory team such as Toyota, Hyundai or Citroen, the factory is paying for your racing expenses and your salary. In M-Sport, there's no factory paying the bills and the funding is not so straightforward. Most M-Sport drivers have external sponsors and backers to cover the expenses and to get some salary as well. It's been said that Tänak didn't get salary from M-Sport until this season and that Evans's racing expenses are covered by DMack sponsorship and his salary comes mainly from Red Bull sponsorship. If you look at Suninen's car, there's a lot of sponsor decals. And it's been said that Camilli has private backers to support his career. However, it could be that Evans is in the same position at M-Sport as Tänak was this year, driving without the support of external sponsors.Quote:
Originally Posted by ESTR
Tony Simpson presenter on Absolute Rally saying he has it on good authority that Ogier IS staying at M-Sport for 2018.
Nothing real surprisingly ;)
well, he has no other option really, has he? it is either m-sport or to retire. It seems to me the other teams didnt really try their best to get him or just didnt were interested. i still dont get it at all.
Are his demands so high? i mean salary wise.
Quite ironic, you are a five time champion and you only have these options.
2019 they will probably fighting for him. And others will just wait where he will finish.
So effectively Citroën are done trying to get Ogier??
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Look what they are doing. I think that he is not interested either going there.
Meeke's comments on Citroen's lack of local prep for GB tells a lot... the money isnt there.
So does this mean the end of the road for Citroën and we'll see them out 'till 2019 do you think?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
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And keep getting that Qassimi behind the wheel, OK he is providing a lot of money but if they want a real results than they must rethink again. He is competing with himself or with wrc 3 drivers... with 2017 car. With many years in wrc he was never, isn't and will never probably be on pace with others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
I think that this will depend on 2018 season. If they will be that bad like this year it can happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Poor Breen...
Shame really... And yes, I will feel sorry for Breen.Quote:
Originally Posted by ESTR
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I'd rather have Al Qassimi full time in a 3rd car, instead of 0 Citroëns.Quote:
Originally Posted by ESTR
Agreed - who else thinks that Kris M doesn't have a contract for next year and knows he isn't getting one. Or is the outspokeness over resources and preparation, proof he feels indispensable? My guess is the former. Who would be with Breen as part of a 2 car team, surely not Loeb!Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrvold
Probably his demands for a development budget more than salaryQuote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
He does have a contract for next year. It's a different thing if they put him out of that contract. In that case, he could just take his Citroen salary to Malcolm's shop?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
re-check which thread you are posting in ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by KKS
C'mon then o wise one, which part and why?Quote:
Originally Posted by wrc2017
For 2018 Kris has #1 car, Breen #2..Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
Except if Ogier still sign with them, then all will move down: Kris #2, Breen/Lefebvre/Qassimi/Loeb #3
Biggest mistery is M-Sport. These drivers are in the game, but probably only 3 cars, maybe 4, I'm not sure:
-Elfyn Evans
-Sebastien Ogier
-Teemu Suninen
-Mads Ostberg
-Pontus Tidemand
-Eric Camilli
...and maybe Kalle Rovanperra
Thanks for that info - as you say they could just pay him and not spend anything else. Maybe that's what he suspects, he's certainly not toeing the party line anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Meeke is definitely at Citroen next year. He knows he's safe tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
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Oh.... busy, sleepy morning for me %)Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Not Rovanperä yet. But everyone else, yes. Although I thought Evans was already confirmed. If the likes of Tidemand, Camilli and Suninen will find budgets, Malcolm is happy to run as many cars as they let him enter (was that 6?)Quote:
Originally Posted by ESTR
IMO Kalle is surely not drive the WRC car, for next year. need to wait until 2019..Quote:
Originally Posted by ESTR
Colin and Becs are talking right now and I think I heard about Suninen, that he will not do the whole season in WRC car. 6 events... Somebody correct me
And about Kalle that he need first good season in WRC2 before stepping up.
It was Colin talking with Jouhki about some of his young drivers, but Colin wasn't sure if he meant Suninen or Rovanperä. Rovanperä will do 6 events.Quote:
Originally Posted by ESTR
what do you not understand. He is in yr 2 of a 3yr contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
....and have you never heard of 'break clauses,Quote:
Originally Posted by wrc2017
Total nonsense... M-Sport is not interested in any driver who is expecting to get paid and have not bunch of sponsors behind him..Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
And is the only team with available seats, so they will go with someone that can drive for free. Meeke is not one of them.
Citroen is not that stupid either that they will dropped him if he still have contract. They will still have to pay him for a year and he is not driving, so they need to get new driver and let's face it, if they complaining about costs they will sure not hire another driver if they have others signed already.
And they have Breen, Lefebvre, Qassimi and all three is still not capable of winning the events.
Even Management have said in a quite recent interview that they categorically do not pay to put drivers in WRC cars. As the moment you start to pay for a seat, that is expected of you, and you are branded a pay-driver. A WRC car is so expensive to fund, that by doing so, they are setting themselves up for an impossible task. It doesn't matter what your name is, they will never pay for a seat.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
They can choose to let the driver drive for free. That's the reason why Mikkelsen did not drive for DMACK in 2017. DMACK wanted money, Mikkelsen and Even Management don't spend money. However, Mikkelsen have been doing the Citroën events, and will be doing the Hyundai events for free.
He still gets VW money this year?Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrvold
No idea. The only thing that was said, is that this year he have been driving for free in the WRC cars. Which can mean he still get VW money, or it can mean that by driving for other companies he willingly let go of the rest of the VW money (as it was not said that he drove for free for Skoda).Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL