from three citroen drivers, maybe breen is the 'best' one. meeke can perform well only if there's no pressure (it seems that way looking at 2016)
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from three citroen drivers, maybe breen is the 'best' one. meeke can perform well only if there's no pressure (it seems that way looking at 2016)
Apologies if posted elsewhere, but this is pretty good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2gcWcyMjjs&t=1s
I blacklisted this team in 2011. Only complete morons would choose the older who retires in 1-2 years instead of the younger already quick who can be their legend for 10-15 years ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by macebig
Because Loeb has 10x marketing value and will probably have 10x marketing value from both Neuville and Ogier combined for the next 20 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
My impression from the first two rallies is that the C3 is not fundamentally bad. We can tell almost nothing about it from Monte and in Sweden Meeke was not that much slower compared to others, but he wasn't on a podium pace either. The uncertainty in the rear end and the snappy behaviour, including what happened in Meeke's off could be down to the active diff. Of course this is just speculation but it will become more clear in Mexico and Corsica. If the same problems repeat then there could be a deeper issue with the car.
Look at the Hyundai, Neuville had massive pace on both rounds but Sordo took a while to get up to speed while Paddon in Sweden struggled with the active diff, going so far as choosing a setting that was almost disabling it. It's possible that some drivers are having problems adapting to driving an "active" car.
Otherwise I think Citroen are risking by putting all their faith in Meeke. He is the type of Solberg or Latvala driver that can go well when the pace he is comfortable at is enough but he goes off when he pushes. This is just a feeling but every time he starts talking about pushing and pace it doesn't take more than 2 stages for him to have an off.
That's what I was saying originally - 1 year (plus 4 guest events) were no brainers with Loeb but the misery that was Mikko and Mads and the roundabout test events (Weijs etc) in 2012 meant Matton should have been sacked then.Quote:
Originally Posted by wrc2017
I think you could be right about the active diff, a few drivers are perhaps finding that it acts in a way that they don't expect. It's not just the C3, drivers of other cars have commented about the rear getting away from them.Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
I still think Meeke needs to be given a bit more time and wouldn't say that Citroen have misplaced their faith in him, you don't win in Finland if you can't be quick over a whole event. Neuville & Tanak have a history of throwing it at the scenery too, but there aren't many questioning their ability to drive quickly.
Yet, Citroen managed to drive all of fhem away in the end.So, they are getting NOThing....Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Thinking about citroen/ psa and marketing. Mother company of Peugeot and Citroën, Psa has other things on her mind. Not direct related at wrc. Could be in future effects at racing programme.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-38969791
For your interest.
If you watch the WRC+ onboard of SS17 with Meeke and Latvala, the Citroen is absolutely all over the place in comparison to the Toyota. Meeke is fighting it off throttle and on throttle, the rear just will not stay in line at all, its like its on casters. The Toyota on the other hand looks beautiful, the rear never steps out past where he wants it, on or off throttle.
Yet if you watch Meeke in SS18 (power stage), it looks miles better than it did in the previous stage, and he is able to get on it and push.
I hope for Citroen sake they know why and what changed between the two stages.
Well, now we know why Citroën didn't want Ogier to test their car before agreeing to a contract...
I dont see much connection with rallying but I do see this as a serious threat to Vauxhall's UK plants if the sale happens.. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Roy
Being in Europe, Opel may be ok and they do have a rally presence.
http://yle.fi/urheilu/3-9460599
In addition to JML and Teemu Suninen, renowned manager Timo Jouhki has now officially signed Kalle Rovanperä to his stable.
Well, he´d be in a WRC car ASAP, that´s for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
Finland has lot to catch up:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
I can't be the only one who thought this had already happened? Weren't they going around the service park talking to the likes of Malcolm together last year?Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
It reads in the article that Jouhki have followed Kalle around and helped him already, but now he is officially his manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
Malcolm did call to Kalle during RallySweden time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
Even by the impressively high standards set by the FIA, this is some Grade A nonsense: http://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/f...speeds-874175/
ridiculous
So backwards. "Let's spend a fortune changing the regs and cars to make them faster and more exciting...then we'll tame all the stages to make them slower and filled with stupid chicanes to make them boring".
Well, again that stupid 130km/h limit. 7 different stages in Finland had over 130km/h avaerage speed, 3 stages had speeds between 125-130km/h, two stages had 123km/h and 115km/h. I didn't include the Harju city stage.
So based on that I'd guess we'd have nearly the entire Rally Finland above 130km/h, if the route would be the same.
Make them more powerful, they said. Make them faster, they said. Bloody retards.
is an understatement...Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Now, I´m not disagree. However faster cars can be used and looked upon even on slower stages. Read me right. It´s not the average speed, it´s going flat out in 6th gear for several hundreds of meters one could avoid.
To me it's not even that, so much as defining an event's safety purely in terms of speed. There are straight sections that are perfectly safe and slow spots that are dangerous. The incident in Monte Carlo was on a stage with an average speed of what, 100kph? 105kph at most.
Can speed make it more dangerous? Sure, without any the cars can't hurt anyone. But it's far from the only factor and it seems daft to be legislating it in such a binary manner.
I kind of agree. Of course avg speed doesn't solve any major problem regarding safety (there are a lot of dangerous slow sections ad a lot of safe fast section in a rally) but having a limit is not that useless, I think it can help to prevent issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Said that I still find ridiculous the situation: Rally Sweden organizers already had chosen that stage months ago, and FIA checked it out. What FIA expected after having seen itself that kind of route?
But we have to remember that this is Jarmo Mahonen speaking. Mahonen is not an average jerk, but much much worse. He's never done anything good when it comes to rallying.Quote:
Originally Posted by dodge33cymru
What an utter hypocrite..Quote:
Originally Posted by dodge33cymru
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Paddon on FIA: ''Speed is not a measure of how 'safe' a stage is - and SS12 in Sweden would have almost been same in '16. From a drivers perspective best is a mix of fast and slow stages - I wouldn't want to see iconic events slowed down. We want to go fast''
Rally Finland - Rally of the Thousand Hay Bales...
I think max avg speed limit is OK, but it has to be also avg between all drivers in particular class. It more fare.
Don´t think there´s gonna be many hay bales in NRF.
Average speed limit means nothing if it can be slowed down by haybales...Quote:
Originally Posted by jparker
Instead of haybales they could also randomly place pylons in the middle of the road. The drivers would then have to drift around them twice before they could continue, like they do at super specials.
A stage with fast section and slow section, with speed average inside limitation will be safer on the fast section?
hay balls give a stupid sensation of safety because they only reduce straight line speed, ok for the welsh that they cannot think anything else than sheep farming and mud stacking bogey times and hay balls are a solution, but not for the top of the sport.
a 4th gear corner with bad camber and trees on the outside with no ditch in between is a million times worse than a 120mph straight.
Yep. Makes the whole thing even more ridiculous. When was the last time we saw a proper accident on a straight bit of stage?Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Rally Sweden shakedown 2015.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrJan
Of course not, but this kind of stages are not common. For most rallies the stages don't have big ups and downs in terms of speed, so yes, average speed is good overview parameter of the stage, but should be used in conjunction with other parameters as well. If FIA wants limit, that's fine, it will not change much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
As already mentioned, few hay balls and the stage will be within the limits.