now i know what you mean ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Motorsport News @MNRally 1h1 hour ago
There's also more on @OsianPryce's @DMACK_Tyres prize, @TeemuSuninenRac's want for a Citroen seat and the Silk Way Rally (@peugeotsport)
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now i know what you mean ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Motorsport News @MNRally 1h1 hour ago
There's also more on @OsianPryce's @DMACK_Tyres prize, @TeemuSuninenRac's want for a Citroen seat and the Silk Way Rally (@peugeotsport)
https://youtu.be/Q0DcTLaVk2Y video WRC Poland 2016 enjoy
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According to that piece there is no deal done yet for Suninen. But for sure Jouhki seems very confident.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Video from Poland:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF0086qxw3o
^^^nice video,with nice spots.Bravo!^^^
No silly comments from Capito about how the victory of Mikkelsen devalue the championship...
Could it maybe be because his team won?
Edit: were gifted the win...
People will be killed at this event if it's allowed to continue. Lots of shocking videos out there, did they not have a 'yellow card' this year in an attempt to improve safety?
you wrote as if you've never seen videos from other ralliesQuote:
Originally Posted by J4MIE
I have seen plenty of videos from rallies all over, but Poland seems to me to be particularly bad and asking for trouble in the future.
Another bad rally that I've covered.... Shortly after I finished Rally Poland, most of us in the media remember why we disliked it in 2015!!
Elaborate
Seriously?
Really liked it a lot. Can't think of any negative points.
he is a pro media guy with high connections.... not some amateur pleb like yourselfQuote:
Originally Posted by MartijnS
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...da35b8bf7b.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Ha ha ha
It started off with Shakedown...
Stage was the same if not changed a little for drivers but for media and spectators not the best.
Spectator area changed to last year. Shakedown started with a few cars, then a 45 min break due to a farmer not allowing spectators onto the stage/fields due to parking cost issue... Also safety concerns for spectators in their 'zones'
Due to the fact a few areas changed where spectators couldn't go, during this break they moved into very unsafe zones... Where last year they stood... Too last year was unsafe but again marshals did sweet all, and only enforced media to move!!!
During this 45 min break there was no communication on stage, no media alert to advise us why there was a break. No one knew. So people were walking across the stage, not even the safety car came through to check for a second time, yes they came through three times before it initially got started as a shakedown. But come on, a 45 mins break with nothing and then WRCars start driving and spectators in bad areas!!!!! One of the two factory R5 Fabia's went off and was at least two meters away from spectators!!
Some media points in the guide were proven correctly but marshals did not accept this and had to argue with them! Tanak's jump was a mess the first time around. Too were trees cut down so there wasn't anything spectacular this year. Stage access made no sense sometimes with maps and road closures...
Also the Power Stage ending was a mess and felt sorry for the Estonian fans who were kept far away from the one entry one exit paddock that the 'celebration' took place in.
I do work with a well known agency and am proud of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Too do I enjoy viewing others images of the non professional 'standard', you can find either a new position on stages or new view on capturing.
But we can all agree on one set of images that come from the WRC... Too covers Dakar and WTCC... I know you know of whom I speak off.
But of dirt, but of HDR
I agree on a few points, especially local farmers demanding money to enter their ground is a problem... People are already paying to see the rally, and it's normal that almost all space around the stages is someone's property, and every spectator needs some place to stand. It's the task of the organizers to refund any possible damage from the rally (either from rallycars or from spectators) to the owners, and not the task of locals to ask money to spectators. On one place we entered a meadow where some 20-30 cars were parked already. Someone came to us, telling something in Polish (which we of course didn't understood). After finding someone who spoke Polish and English, we found out he wanted 5 (1,25 euros) zloty for being on his property. When I took out my wallet he saw there was more in it and suddenly he wanted 50 zloty (+-12,5 euros), still a small amount of money, but it's a very unfair way of doing things... One of his friends already took off a valve cap of one of our wheels/tyres and threatened to deflate the tyres. In the end we moved our car and went to another place, without paying anything at all, it's not a nice thing to do but it was the best solution. Organizers should look after this problem, or it will become worse every year, as locals will learn from each other...
Hear that MartiJns ? A WELL KNOWN AGENCY....Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
he is not roaming the forests with a camera in his hands making footage of 6th gear corners and jumps like yourself you gipsy pleb
His collection of hairpins and flowers and rivers will make you have nightmares till the end of your days.
No flowers for me... or rivers... but yes, I got your Hairpin comment before and I agree... an embarrassing image.
Watching those videos, the angles they are getting now over those jumps and landing them and continuing is getting more amazing ! :cool:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...psiy3wrzdh.jpg
I agree. Unfortunately someone will get it wrong at some point and will go off into a crowd of hundreds. That's my point, really. If the FIA really had a focus on safety then the rally wouldn't come back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
But as we know, safety is not always the main priority.
I am all for allowing spectators/media to roam freely, but as we have seen, a lot of people can't be trusted with this. So restricting where people can go has to be done (or at least attempted), and the organisers have to carry out threats of cancelling stages - if they continue to run them whatever, then people will stand wherever.
The only place where I saw a tabard photographer having trouble with the safety guys was at a gravel to tarmac junction on Goldap 2, where the guy wanted to be inside the turn behind the hay roll. After a call to the HQ, they finally managed to make a deal of some sorts.
Amateur speaking here haha.
Agreed about shakedown, but hey it's not like those things don't happen anywhere else. Big gaps happen everywhere. So to say it's a bad rally only due to the 45 minute delay and some less safe standing spectators seems a bit harsh.
Got the media guide via via and had it with us during recce and had to laugh as 80% of the spots in there were the slowest corners in the whole country of Poland, so not much to work with anyway!
Access system is quite strict indeed, so that might be the only issue regarding Poland if you really want to go to specific spots you find during recce. But with some good navigating also that can be solved most of the times.
We didnt have any issues with farmers, only 1 good spot where they didn't allow anyone on their property next to the stage while they were there with a lot of friends, but hey still their own property so their good right.
We had a lot of fun, its easier to visit Rally Sardinia for example but this has to be one of the craziest rallies we have ever been to.
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I was talking more about the modern WRC cars and how they're suspension allows them to achieve all kinds of crazy-looking jumps to be made and safely landed.
Jumping high and long on fast gravel is nothing new, but that used to be on fairly level roads... but now even when the road is cambered drivers can still go flat-out knowing the cars suspension will soak up the landing with no problems at all, even at 45 degrees on two wheels...
The cars just sit down, take a level stance with no squirm or bounce, and accelerate away. Awesome really.
It is a problem with rallies in Poland. Rally Pass gives You access to designated spectators area ONLY! If You want to stand anywhere else, You've got to pay the owner of the land (at least when one appears and demand payment).Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
The other hand of this situation is that once You've paid for a place, no safety is in power to move You from this place.
Same with camping alongside stages.
That's what law in Poland is like and probably that is why people would stand in crazy places, no matter how harsh the safety would be. Organizer is simply unauthorized to ban people from standing on private ground. Only solution (for organizer) is to make pre-rally agreements with land owners.