Rallye Monte Carlo 2014

Looks like setup changes works for Latvala

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Originally Posted by megadrive

it is definitely wrong tyre choice for Ogier...

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At least it's safe to every direction.

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Originally Posted by Franky

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Originally Posted by jparker

If that's your point of view, that's fine, but those conditions don't really show the real driving skills related to rally racing.
Question: Is Kubica faster then all the rest, or he just did the best job this morning?

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I have to disagree. The more difficult the conditions are the more driving skill will count. And rallying isn't about a single or two or three stages. Unless those are the only stages in the rally. The guy who has completed the course the fastest is the winner.

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For me rallying skills are about, except from good strategy, how to handle a rallycar in 6th gear on gravel or snow when you have a pace note saying 5 left or right. Not driving in 60 km/h on slush with X set of tyres.

(1 - Ogier Sébastien / Ingrassia Julien): Looks like it is not the best tyre choice, but we have to wait for the loop. The next stage it should be better. (winter tyres crossed over with super softs)

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Originally Posted by dimviii

its a choice for a lot of km covered with snow something we dont have such an information.

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My guess was he'd go for SS + Winter for first 2 stages and Winter + Studs for last one, so far I'm right. I guess he counts on next stage to gain more than the time lost on SS4

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Originally Posted by jparker

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Originally Posted by Franky

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Originally Posted by jparker

If that's your point of view, that's fine, but those conditions don't really show the real driving skills related to rally racing.
Question: Is Kubica faster then all the rest, or he just did the best job this morning?

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I have to disagree. The more difficult the conditions are the more driving skill will count. And rallying isn't about a single or two or three stages. Unless those are the only stages in the rally. The guy who has completed the course the fastest is the winner.

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Well, I understand that, but picking better tires has nothing to do with driving skills. Probably better weather crew.

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That's right, but when you chose wrong tyres, your skills will help you minimize the time loss (and avoid retirement) so you can counter-attack on the next loop or day. Ogier is still the main favorite, others are too scared or unreliable.

Neuville pole
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Originally Posted by Rallyper

For me rallying skills are about, except from good strategy, how to handle a rallycar in 6th gear on gravel or snow when you have a pace note saying 5 left or right. Not driving in 60 km/h on slush with X set of tyres.

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I haven't expected such statement from You :(

Rallying is and ALWAYS has been about coping with conditions. This event called Rallye Monte Carlo gave the name to the whole sport. It is far older than any other rally in the world and it has always been about the fight with conditions. How about Safari? Argentina? Acropolis? That is not rallying for You?

Looks like supersoft tyres are not meant for wet roads.. and wintertyres without studs is the correct choice:-) Strange tyres nowadays..

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Originally Posted by dimviii

Neuville pole
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Some villages were left without electricity :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by bluuford

Looks like supersoft tyres are not meant for wet roads.. and wintertyres without studs is the correct choice:-) Strange tyres nowadays..

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Maybe winter tyre has a compound that works better in cold.

Bouffier is taking it very seriously. Quite a time so far

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Originally Posted by megadrive

Some villages were left without electricity :rolleyes:

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At least they have some entertainment nearby to fill their time. :D

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Originally Posted by bluuford

Looks like supersoft tyres are not meant for wet roads.. and wintertyres without studs is the correct choice:-) Strange tyres nowadays..

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Winter tyres might go off later in the loop- have to manage them carefully id imagine if not driving on snow most of the time..

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Originally Posted by jparker

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Originally Posted by Franky

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Originally Posted by jparker

If that's your point of view, that's fine, but those conditions don't really show the real driving skills related to rally racing.
Question: Is Kubica faster then all the rest, or he just did the best job this morning?

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I have to disagree. The more difficult the conditions are the more driving skill will count. And rallying isn't about a single or two or three stages. Unless those are the only stages in the rally. The guy who has completed the course the fastest is the winner.

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Well, I understand that, but picking better tires has nothing to do with driving skills. Probably better weather crew.

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Being able to cope with a good or bad tire choice has everything to do with driving skill though. That seems to be what you are missing in all of this. The winner of the Monte is usually the guy who best handles a combination of good tire choices AND being fast but safe when you miss on the tires - which will inevitably happen at some point.

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Originally Posted by jonkka

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Originally Posted by bluuford

Looks like supersoft tyres are not meant for wet roads.. and wintertyres without studs is the correct choice:-) Strange tyres nowadays..

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Maybe winter tyre has a compound that works better in cold.

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It's not about the compound but about the pattern. Nowadays the patter for asphalt tyres is universal for dry or wet conditions. As any hybrid it doesn't do anything perfect. We have been hearing complaints about their wet performance for years. Winter tyres have much larger and deeper grooves in the pattern hence they are more resistant to aquaplaning.

Well, Kubica just said "It's not driving, it's surviving".

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Originally Posted by er88

Winter tyres might go off later in the loop- have to manage them carefully id imagine if not driving on snow most of the time..

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These asphalt winter tyres are quite durable unless there is a pure dry asphalt.

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Originally Posted by Mirek

It's not about the compound but about the pattern. Nowadays the patter for asphalt tyres is universal for dry or wet conditions.

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Unless you meant "compound" instead of "pattern", this doesn't make any sense?

Stupid choice of font where bold is not much different from regular.

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Originally Posted by jonkka

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Originally Posted by Mirek

It's not about the compound but about the pattern. Nowadays the patter for asphalt tyres is universal for dry or wet conditions.

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Unless you meant "compound" instead of "pattern", this doesn't make any sense?

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You didn't understand...

The supersoft tyre has better compound for wet than winter tyre BUT it has very bad pattern - too little and too shallow grooves so that it works well on dry. Different pattern for dry and wet tyre is not allowed.

The winter tyre has worse compound (it must keep studs inside so it can not be too soft - my guessing) BUT it has large and deep grooves in the pattern which help significantly with standing water and increase traction on mud.

Remember they used winter tyres for wet already in Ireland 2009? ;) It's nothing new with recent regulations.

Recap Stage 1-3 (Video from WRC)
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/videos/ ... -80--.html

Quite spectacular spin from Östberg..

What's going on? Again private M-sport drivers are better than manufacture team? the same tyres and the same car :eek:

I see.

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Originally Posted by Micke_VOC

Recap Stage 1-3 (Video from WRC)
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/videos/ ... -80--.html

Quite spectacular spin from Östberg..

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Really huge moment for Mads ^)

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Originally Posted by jparker

Well, Kubica just said "It's not driving, it's surviving".

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It's rallying!

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Originally Posted by megadrive

What's going on? Again private M-sport drivers are better than manufacture team? the same tyres and the same car :eek:

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Mikko missed on the tires and Evans can hardly be asked to follow a man of Bouffier's ability and experience on his first event in the car?

Really close call there for Östberg :o

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Originally Posted by megadrive

What's going on? Again private M-sport drivers are better than manufacture team? the same tyres and the same car :eek:

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Well, as I said earlier, it's a gambler's driver time.
Manufacture's drivers are just playing save for now. Just my guess.

Gret time JML. Good also from Dani in the i20 and Kubica keeping up his pace and keeping car on the road :). Meeke Struggled in that stage with lack of experience with the tyres, Mikkelsen quite poor tbh

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Originally Posted by Mirek

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

For me rallying skills are about, except from good strategy, how to handle a rallycar in 6th gear on gravel or snow when you have a pace note saying 5 left or right. Not driving in 60 km/h on slush with X set of tyres.

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I haven't expected such statement from You :(

Rallying is and ALWAYS has been about coping with conditions. This event called Rallye Monte Carlo gave the name to the whole sport. It is far older than any other rally in the world and it has always been about the fight with conditions. How about Safari? Argentina? Acropolis? That is not rallying for You?

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For sure, but all those rallies has average speed well over 60 km/h. Why didnt you expect that quote from me, btw? I´ve said it many times before. Don´t forget last year in Monte they cancelled two stages from very dodgy reasons...

RMC should be in WRC, no doubt, but real rallying is to handle cars with proper setups of tyres (not crossover solutions) and in 6th gear over blind crests etz, etz... And not gambling...

im just happy that. Ogier is not dominating. and i just wish he dont win this one. so he can wait a little bit. and i hope he wont dominite sweden.. happy happy happy he should retire.

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Originally Posted by ChristianArp

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Originally Posted by megadrive

What's going on? Again private M-sport drivers are better than manufacture team? the same tyres and the same car :eek:

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Mikko missed on the tires and Evans can hardly be asked to follow a man of Bouffier's ability and experience on his first event in the car?

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Mikko on SS4 had the same tires as Kubica and Bouffier.

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

For sure, but all those rallies has average speed well over 60 km/h. Why didnt you expect that quote from me, btw? I´ve said it many times before. Don´t forget last year in Monte they cancelled two stages from very dodgy reasons...

RMC should be in WRC, no doubt, but real rallying is to handle cars with proper setups of tyres (not crossover solutions) and in 6th gear over blind crests etz, etz... And not gambling...

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Originally Posted by jparker

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Originally Posted by megadrive

What's going on? Again private M-sport drivers are better than manufacture team? the same tyres and the same car :eek:

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Well, as I said earlier, it's a gambler's driver time.
Manufacture's drivers are just playing save for now. Just my guess.

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That's ok for Evans, but Mikko with his expirence doing so slow times ;( and playing for safe it is bad strategy for manufacture team.

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Originally Posted by Mirek

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

For me rallying skills are about, except from good strategy, how to handle a rallycar in 6th gear on gravel or snow when you have a pace note saying 5 left or right. Not driving in 60 km/h on slush with X set of tyres.

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I haven't expected such statement from You :(

Rallying is and ALWAYS has been about coping with conditions. This event called Rallye Monte Carlo gave the name to the whole sport. It is far older than any other rally in the world and it has always been about the fight with conditions. How about Safari? Argentina? Acropolis? That is not rallying for You?

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For sure, but all those rallies has average speed well over 60 km/h. Why didnt you expect that quote from me, btw? I´ve said it many times before. Don´t forget last year in Monte they cancelled two stages from very dodgy reasons...

RMC should be in WRC, no doubt, but real rallying is to handle cars with proper setups of tyres (not crossover solutions) and in 6th gear over blind crests etz, etz... And not gambling...

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No sorry- rallying is facing upto the stages and rally infront of you- whatever the conditions and difficulties. Rallying is about the unpredictability and excitement.

special stage 05. stage report "Most of the stage is wet with mud, ice only on few places." Maybe it is time for Ogier to make his boss Capito do like this :bounce:

Yeah it might be so even in my described conditions, but don´t ever talk about who´s fastest when comparing drivers...

excitement only for the fans, focusing and letting their skills play, for the drivers

Sordo stopped on road section with flat battery...