At the start of last Season the odds for Ogier were 2/9...
The bookies clearly dont fancy M-Sport.
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At the start of last Season the odds for Ogier were 2/9...
The bookies clearly dont fancy M-Sport.
Dearly missed...Quote:
Originally Posted by danon
Double your money on the 4 time champ - bookies have that wrong!Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
WRC season 2017 just started. I think I´ll celebrate with a beer. Real stuff.
As RMC is finished, got the idea that I really want to experience it in person next year.
Could any one give me some advice on that? (before i have forgot)
Have got cheap flights to Nice and Grenoble, but no further ideas.
Check out the first 30 pages of the 2017 Monte thread as there are a number of advice posts there.Quote:
Originally Posted by tolx
Fly into Nice as that is where you'll end up if you are going to watch the Sunday stages and car hire is cheapest if you return it to the pick up location.
Have someone 'over 25' in the party to keep car hire and insurance cost down.
Arrive 2 days before the start - you need to recce your spectating routes, the atmosphere in Gap service park is fun and shakedown is a must-see
Look for accommodation in the Gap region as soon as the dates / route is announced.
Make sure you have cold weather clothing with waterproofs too.
Learn how to put snow chains on if you never have done before. (just noticed you're from Riga so you probably have the necessary experience!)
I'm sure other people will have other bits of good advice but good friends that you don't mind travelling with for hours are a pre-requisite.
Definitely RMC is a must see. As I wrote in a previous post, arriving in the stage and walking those historical routes at 6 in the morning with the cold and thin air of France, the fires of fans in the side of the street... That's a unique experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by tolx
Anyway, Mintexmemory has told you already a lot of good suggestions, I would add to go very early in the stages (2 hours before the start, 1,5 maximum) because then they become crowded.
Skip RMC and visit Rally Finland instead. The rally it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by tolx
RMC was excellent for the first time.
Lyon is a key place to fly into as Nice won't have that many Winter types available... downside to Nice but least it's close to the rally and if you have to fly out Monday morning it's best.
I watch Monte at the world debut of Escort Cosworth. No snow, millions of people, several stages cancelled and insane crowds all of who drive on the roads like WRC heroes.. I had a good time..Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
But even the crazy French fans i talk with ALL would go even crazier at the mention of seeing WRC in Sweden or Finland..
They know..
They are right..
The North is the home of rally as we know it..
It is also a very high chance of being beautiful weather in summer..Even the rain usually blow thru in 1 day.
If I ever go again it will not to be a continental asphalt rally or to watch guys fight with slicks on snow..
It will be Finland...Ralli Paradis!
(and that doesn't even take into account the friendly Finnish women....if you're married just get a written note from the wife giving permission...oi oi oi)
Lyon is worse in terms of flight options from Baltics.Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
Drive. You'll already have winter tires and only need to get snow chains ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by tolx
Have considered that, but seems profitable only with company of 4+. About 6000km worth a lot, even with good fuel economy.
3rd option could be finding a company here and meet already in France, if someone would be interested.
My impression is that Red Bull TV live coverage is shaping up WRC interest to a lot more young people. Anyone?
I started in 2010 just driving to those events that were in easy ferry range of UK - Ypres and Germany. In 2011 I advertised on this forum for anyone who wanted to go to Sardinia. Since then I've done Sardinia again, Finland and RMC each time with slightly different group composition. As a result I have made a number of great friends who I meet up with at different events in UK and we share accommodation for WRGB too. Camping in Germany and tourist accommodation in Spain are cheap enough to consider 2 people as an economic group but Monte is best with 3 or 4 people. Agreeing a rendezvous time for flights into Nice from different parts of the world shouldn't be too difficult. Go for it. If I didn't want to go to Sweden next year I would have been interested but I think my next RMC will be 2019. Maybe we should have a special forum 'travel agent' thread so all requests for travel companions can be in one place.Quote:
Originally Posted by tolx
Such topic would be nice, indeed.
And thanks for ideas.
Why would you use snow chains if you already have winter tyres...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
Only trucks from south of Europe who are stupid enough to drive on summer tyres in Norway use that.
All depends on the weather and logically the state of the winter tires. And obviously not all tires have the same amount of grip as we know. Chains would only be for the very extreme.
Some swedes by some real shitty tires to save some money. If it is a brand you have heard about on the rental car, it should be ok.
On a other note, it is ONLY nokian hakkapeliita 8 (studded) i use on my cars, atleast the 2WD. On my Subaru it is continental studless, but it is nowere near the hakka 8.
Take a look on the tires before you leave the rental place, it will save you some shit:)
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Winter tyres in a number of countries (including UK) just refers to a rubber compound that gives the same (or similar) level of grip at <5deg C on tarmac as a summer tyre would at >18. So on ice and compacted snow such a tyre is equally useless as a summer tyre. Not everyone has a set of studded black things in the garage!Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
That is why you should look for the alpine marking not only M+S on your winter tyres.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
To me M+S also means wider tread even without studs. M+S can´t mean summer tread in one country and winter tread in Scandinavia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
It is no such thing as a all-season tyre. It will be bad in the summer, and dangerous at winter. Nordic wintertyres has a different rubbermix than the european wintertyres, the last one is not suitable at real icy and cold roads.
It is possible to rent proper wintertyres, atleast in norway, it is somewhere close to where the ferry/Wessel from denmark/germany lands in Oslo. Lots of danish tourists rents these when they go skiing in the mountains.
Some want to save some money and use snowchains instead, but that is an ass to drive at not snowcovered roads, and will probably brake when you need them. Its always some tourists blocking the roads up here because of this.
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I'm sure I and SubaruNorway are both talking about winter tires that are used in our region (Scandinavian peninsula, Finland and the Baltics). And those winter tires are very different than what majority of Europeans refer to winter tires. Like Mintex mentioned, those are just a bit softer compound summer tires
Indeed, tire makers produce a lot of different winter tires for almost every occasion. And they clearly differ north european winter tires from the ones suitable for central and south europe.
Northern ones are much softer, with different thread design (many small, soft blocks to get a grip). So called soft winter tires are actually a lot harder, thread resambles a combination of winter and summer tires and their main aim is to offer better traction/stability in cool and wet conditions, not proper snow/ice. Also, most of european countries don't allow studded tires, which are necessity in scandinavia. Even if want to go to Austria, where studs are allowed, I need to somehow drive around poland, where studs are prohibited. That's why i have a dillema, what to choose for next winter, because I like to put a car on track in winter too, when studless tires are sometimes powerless...
Snow chains are useful in situations like monte, where you are mostly on the dry tarmac and will encounter snow/ice only going up in mountains, when you can prepare before it.
I have been driving studless nordic winter tires for the last 10-12 years (RWD, FWD, 4WD, small cars, big cars etc). In our region the conditions change a lot but no real problems experienced. Have been spectating Rally Sweden about 4-5 times - FWD minivan studless tires, RWD minivan studded tires, 4WD cars with and without studs etc., again no issues whatsoever. You have to adapt to the car and tyre combo.Quote:
Originally Posted by tolx
I would take studless winter tires any day - quiet and comfortable tires which are allowed throughout Europe.Universal choice for people who travel a lot. Studded tires only for specific regions - lots of ice, mountains etc.
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I think it depends where you do your driving mostly. I used studless tires (Nokian) for a winter in South-Estonia and never again. If you drive 80-90% in city and main road, then you are probably fine, but I've been situations where you just can't get up to the hill w/o studs. If we are discussing here tourists who don't have any experience in icy conditions, studs will help a lot, but of course, it all starts from driving skills and cautions.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
I have clocked approx 35000 - 45000 km every year, on every thinkable road condition and still think studless are the best option. But yes, you need to understand and apply basic driving skills required to do well on slippery roads.Quote:
Originally Posted by hannes36
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So M+S means different things in different countries in Europe?
Studded tyres when driving 2WD. Studless on 4WD and mainly driving on main roads, maybe also for 2WD..
As far as I know, M+S doesn't mean much legally - they don't have to go through tests meant for ice-snow while M+S marked with the arctic badge (a silouette of a mountain with 3 peaks with a snowflake inside) do. I haven't seen any other marking on the tires that would indicate the softness or optimal working temperature.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Daniel Elena finished in an excellent 6th overall (on 327 starters!) in the Monte Carlo Historique, a regularity rally for oldtimers.
If you're sitting next to an ultra champ for so many years you're bound to pick something up!Quote:
Originally Posted by dupanton
It was regularity. Average speed of maybe 50 km/h. However hard to keep in the alps. But still.
I know how hard it is to stick to the average on twisty roads. Of course the codriver is more important here, but still, you can't make the slightest error in the Monte or you loose 50 places!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Explanation from GoodyearQuote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
http://www.goodyear.eu/corporate_eme...ed-picture.jsp
A genaral explanation;
For Central Europe most drive on summer tyres year round.For those that live at high altitude, they mostly use M+S or non studded winter tyres.
In North Europe we either use Studded winter tyres, or friction tyres. Both have much lower shore value (hardness scala) values, to keep them from getting stiff in minus 20-30 C. In some countries you need to have winter tyres after a given date, and take them off again before a certain date. Espacially since the studded tires make the asphalt wear off much more.
Off topic but looking for help....
Will be visiting New Zealand next week and planning to visit those amazing stages used during 2012 WRC
I was wondering if there is any chance for me to rent an Impreza WRX or an Evo, Road car around auckland for a day or two
would much appreciated any feedbacks
and love to hear more suggestions of yours about the stages and possible sight seeing places around.
thanks in advance
best
Omer
Ott Tänak @OttTanak
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