Hyundai i20 WRC

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Originally Posted by Barreis

If this car will finish in top 4 on some rallies next season, it will be good result...

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Explain.

They started to test for real 6 months before new season. We'll see the results...

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It just doesn't look right! Don't know why, but something looks wrong about it!

To me, the rear track seems a bit narrow compared to the body in the 2nd photo

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Originally Posted by Doon

It just doesn't look right! Don't know why, but something looks wrong about it!

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Totally agree, if I had a Citroen or Ford seat now I dont think I would be queing up to go there, unless of course the money was huge. I may be wrong but I really can not see this compete with VW, I think it will be slowest car of the WRC in 2014.

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Originally Posted by MJW

Totally agree, if I had a Citroen or Ford seat now I dont think I would be queing up to go there, unless of course the money was huge. I may be wrong but I really can not see this compete with VW, I think it will be slowest car of the WRC in 2014.

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The slowest in 2014, the fastest in 2015. :)

But I agree, completely! The car looks ugly so it MUST be slow and it MUST be bad! :rolleyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ooWT3KUZ4s

Not a bad sound. Juho driving or one of the other test team?

Regarding the still images, most of them look a bit photochopped or at least enhanced somehow. Car seemed too clean etc.

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Originally Posted by tommeke_B

The slowest in 2014, the fastest in 2015. :)

But I agree, completely! The car looks ugly so it MUST be slow and it MUST be bad! :rolleyes:

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Perhaps I am making too much of a connection between Michel Nanadan and the Suzuki SX4 and Michel Nandan and the Hyundai i20. In truth we dont know how fast or slow it is based on looks, but when you consider how advanced VW were even in 2011, e.g they had FX Demaision there since just after Monte 2011, they were recruiting, purchasing service trucks etc, plus they had that year in the Skoda's to train mechanics, contrast this with the Hyundai approach. I think that it will take to 2015 before Hyundai is a contender, hence my comment about probable Ford or Citroen being a better option for a driver in 2014.

Less is known, indeed... And yes, they won't fight for victories next year, in my opinion. But like I said before, it's not because something is unknown, that it's not there or it doesn't happen... :)

Next year i20 will be like sx4 in 2008...

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Originally Posted by MartijnS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ooWT3KUZ4s

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1.26 seconds per km off the pace for sure :p

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Originally Posted by MJW

Perhaps I am making too much of a connection between Michel Nanadan and the Suzuki SX4 and Michel Nandan and the Hyundai i20. In truth we dont know how fast or slow it is based on looks, but when you consider how advanced VW were even in 2011, e.g they had FX Demaision there since just after Monte 2011, they were recruiting, purchasing service trucks etc, plus they had that year in the Skoda's to train mechanics, contrast this with the Hyundai approach. I think that it will take to 2015 before Hyundai is a contender, hence my comment about probable Ford or Citroen being a better option for a driver in 2014.

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When I said FX was there just after Monte, remeber it was only Portugal 2011 when VW officially announce they were coming into WRC, by then a lot of key people had signed contracts ;-)

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Originally Posted by Allyc85

1.26 seconds per km off the pace for sure :p

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Don't be ridiculous. Don't know where you dreamt up that figure.

More like 1.275 / km.......... :)

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Originally Posted by Barreis

Next year i20 will be like sx4 in 2008...

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Wrong. The project is a very healthy one.

Any tech specs? I still haven`t for instance seen or heard whose suspension(dampers) they`re using, from the looks of it they will be on Michelins next year.

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Originally Posted by AMSS

Any tech specs? I still haven`t for instance seen or heard whose suspension(dampers) they`re using, from the looks of it they will be on Michelins next year.

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This photo which was posted earlier in this thread shows Reigers:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...64315909_n.jpg

A longer video from our forum friend jbmarcus21.

BILLIOT Jérémie ‏@planetemarcus 6m #WRC My personal [VIDEO] about Hyundai Motorsport testing this week i20Wrc in tarmac with Bryan Bouffier http://bit.ly/1eHmsTd (please RT)

I stand by my earlier 'something doesn't look right' comment!

The front suspension looks to have damping problems. As the corner starts to tightens, the front end corner on-load is rebounding. Or is this the bumps in the road? I'd never claim to be an expert, but it seems pretty obvious to me. The wheel is right up into the wheel arch, as it seems as if the car is struggling to turn-in.

The Hyundai engineers are far brighter than me, so I have faith that this is 'OK' or if not it will be sorted.

Watching again, it reminds me of a gravel spec car driving on tarmac. What do we all think? Fastest time on SS1 of Monte Carlo like the VW? Or one scratch time (correct me if i'm wrong?) like the SX4 all season?

I thin it's a bit to early to comment on this! For months untill January, so something will probably be improved in the car! I remeber when the first Polo video came out the car doesn't look fast as well! It's testing, their will end up find something to make it better! Will se in 2014

Indeed, there's still plenty of time. And even then, the "real work" starts only in 2015 with the new car completely developed by themselves... :) VW did their learning year with Fabia S2000, Hyundai is doing it with another WRC.

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Originally Posted by tommeke_B

Indeed, there's still plenty of time. And even then, the "real work" starts only in 2015 with the new car completely developed by themselves... :) VW did their learning year with Fabia S2000, Hyundai is doing it with another WRC.

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I thought the current Hyundai WRC that is being tested is completely developed by themselves also yes? Or no?

Another video from the test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0uc7...em-uploademail

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Originally Posted by navtheace

I thought the current Hyundai WRC that is being tested is completely developed by themselves also yes? Or no?

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Yes, of course. But VW also did further development on the Fabia S2000 to gain experience. From what I heard, there were differences between the "VW Fabia" an the Skoda Fabia... The experience they gain from developing this car can help them for the next one. :)

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Originally Posted by navtheace

I thought the current Hyundai WRC that is being tested is completely developed by themselves also yes? Or no?

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In my opinion "themselves" meant in Germany without any links to previous Korean pre-development.

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Originally Posted by MJW

Perhaps I am making too much of a connection between Michel Nanadan and the Suzuki SX4 and Michel Nandan and the Hyundai i20. In truth we dont know how fast or slow it is based on looks, but when you consider how advanced VW were even in 2011, e.g they had FX Demaision there since just after Monte 2011, they were recruiting, purchasing service trucks etc, plus they had that year in the Skoda's to train mechanics, contrast this with the Hyundai approach. I think that it will take to 2015 before Hyundai is a contender, hence my comment about probable Ford or Citroen being a better option for a driver in 2014.

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I would not underestimate Michel Nanadan or Hyundai. The Suzuki fiasco was another story. I heard that the SX4 had actually more electronic tricks that any WRC car at the time and that Michel Nanadan's SX4 design on paper was a potential winner, but that the electronics needed time to tweek which he did not get, there were budget issues, Suzuki and Monster intervened too much instead of letting him do his thing and the engines from Suzuki (Suzuki developed them) had issues. Now electronics are not as important. From what I see from Hyundai, they clearly are putting Michel Nanadan in the lead and throwing the resources at him. Hyundai will struggle at first probably, but expect them to come up the curve fast. Plus, they can homologate a new car in 2015, which the other can't. I would put my money on Hyundai for 2015, not VW!

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Originally Posted by jonlint

I would not underestimate Michel Nanadan or Hyundai. The Suzuki fiasco was another story. I heard that the SX4 had actually more electronic tricks that any WRC car at the time and that Michel Nanadan's SX4 design on paper was a potential winner, but that the electronics needed time to tweek which he did not get, there were budget issues, Suzuki and Monster intervened too much instead of letting him do his thing and the engines from Suzuki (Suzuki developed them) had issues. Now electronics are not as important. From what I see from Hyundai, they clearly are putting Michel Nanadan in the lead and throwing the resources at him. Hyundai will struggle at first probably, but expect them to come up the curve fast. Plus, they can homologate a new car in 2015, which the other can't. I would put my money on Hyundai for 2015, not VW!

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Except I would expect Ogier to be still with VW in 2015 as a double WC . The Polo will have had 2 seasons of specific event optimisation. That's going to be a tough nut for any competitor to crack

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Originally Posted by Mintexmemory

Except I would expect Ogier to be still with VW in 2015 as a double WC . The Polo will have had 2 seasons of specific event optimisation. That's going to be a tough nut for any competitor to crack

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How long time a go we considered Citroën unstoppable? It changed fast, didn't it?

True but much of the Citroen problems are due to succession planning failure. - can't see that being an issue for VW for the next 3-4 years

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Originally Posted by Mintexmemory

...The Polo will have had 2 seasons of specific event optimisation...

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...and Nanadan will be able to leapfrog with a fresh homologation :)

HYUNDAI WRC: All the recent videos of testing of the Hyundai i20 WRC can be seen here - in one place:
Hyundai i20 WRC: July / August 2013 tests - ThingLink

According to the following article, a new version of the i20 is coming in as early as next year?

Spyshots: New Hyundai i20 Looks Promising

Yes, that is true and that's why people speak about a completely new WRC car for Hyundai in 2015 (new base stock car means new separate homologation).

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Originally Posted by Mirek

Yes, that is true and that's why people speak about a completely new WRC car for Hyundai in 2015 (new base stock car means new separate homologation).

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New basis for homologation too in 2015, the new WRC cars will not be homologated as S2000 type. Maybe some form of R5 or R5plus for the top class. From the gossip I am hearing there are a lot of manufacturers evaluating if not developing R5 rally cars. So in a way 2015 is press the re-start button on WRC technically speaking.

From Nikara's facebook account:

Hehe.. toimittajat soittelee et olisin Hyundaita menossa testaa?? No kyllä minä oon valmis ku vaan ilmoittasivat mullekkin missä ja millon tämmönen mahdollisuus olis!

Any translator? (Google doesn't help much)

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Originally Posted by Fly

From Nikara's facebook account:

Hehe.. toimittajat soittelee et olisin Hyundaita menossa testaa?? No kyllä minä oon valmis ku vaan ilmoittasivat mullekkin missä ja millon tämmönen mahdollisuus olis!

Any translator? (Google doesn't help much)

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"Hehe.. journalists are calling me that I would be going to test Hyundai. Well, I'm ready as soon they inform me where and when this kind of opportunity would be!"

:D

Juho Hanninen testing the i20 WRC.

Essais Privée Hyundai i20 WRC [HD] - YouTube

Nothing impressive so far. Let's see how they progress. VW wasn't impressive for quite a long time also and than...