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Go go VW Fabia, 6th and 7th so far :up:
The human being is a strange unsatisfied creature.
A man (Loeb) and a team (Citroen) set the limit.
As simple as that.
All the rest can only try to be(at) the best.
Go for it!
i remember watching F1 until i became 17... then i became an alpha male wolf and abandoned my girly habbits.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
I believe schumacher is great role model for the girls of today along with the other heroes like hamilton and kimmi kid... young women of today need people to look up to.
Yeaaaah, F1 today is model's stage. There is no real motorsport there. At least some have fun with it :DQuote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
No one can now. Simple as that :DQuote:
Originally Posted by danon
they have to try at THEIR 105% because at EVERY rally there is a WRONG setup for both Ford drivers.Yes with wrong setup the highest possibility is to crash.When there is no the ''wrong setup'' they ruined the rally with wrong tyre choices.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
These drivers worth a championship?But Loeb have ruined the wrc.....
Ford were for 3 days tests for Germany.Suddenly in a rally they have compete for almost a decade they found at first stages brake fade.
What are they doing at tests????? They didn t had fade????? These comments are laughable from wanabe champions against Loeb.If you can t find the proper pads,after 3 days tests is not lucky Loeb.
No mate THEY DONT DESERVE A CHAMPIONSHIP,drivers and team._
I want to show me another example of a 8 times world champion with 60+ wins that when his team mate won 2 rallies they made him No2 in the team while he was at that time 1st in points with margin from 2nd driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by rp
These things have existence only at amateurs ie see how they treat this year Ford their driver with most points.
At serious profesional teams there is a number 1 and a number 2 with specific roles for each driver.As we saw at later rallies last year Ogier couldn t play the number 1 being slow and out of road.
Can you sum the points Ogier collected at 2nd half vs Loeb points? Championship was totally open with Quesnels @##%%
That is one think I personally don't like in motorsport. Always there must be N1 and N2. What if Loeb decides to drive until 45? Poor Hirvonen.... But I'm just regular race fan, not a company which spends billions per year to be N1.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Complete Nonsense!Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Let's make a poll and see how many think your way.
Аny sober person would recognize the achievements of Mr. Backflip.
The guy shows how it should be done and set the pace for years to come.
Get over it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UboR7FZrys
Dani and Ott can restart tomorrow.
vM Junior ended the rally today.
Bottom line of your post is what i fear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
From what Matton said today, it sounds like Loeb will be in next year. But so will Ogier :) He has a score to settle with his former team mate. I thought JML would get the job done this year, with his performance on tarmac last year, and his overall pace, I had never predicted his season would be like this. Hopefuly Ogier wont "do a latvala" next year.
i think (and hope) diimvii was being sarcastic there... loeb sets the benchmark and it's not his fault that no one can match himQuote:
Originally Posted by danon
Loeb killing the WRC or not, that is the question! but i personally think that we will wait a loooooong time to witness such achievement in any motorsport whatsoever again once he retires. so congrats for all the records.
on the other side, once again Hirvo will finish on the podium, even though he was way off the pace from km 1. That proves how smart he is too, he knows he can't be fast, doesn't like the rally, off the rhythm and yet still score more point than Solberg. He would have been a truly deserved world champion if he wasn't competing at the same era than loeb... to be continued.
Loeb is like Makinen some years ago. He was the best of the best... until Mitsubishi stoped investing money.
Then, with 4 titles on the pocket, Makinen decided try one of the best team: Subaru. The rest of the story all of you already know.
That's what Loeb is no man to do. He is affraid of losing the status.
For the resons you mention above I pretty much have written this year off. With Mini and VW treating this season as basically another test year and Ogier, JML not being competitive (think about JML points after what happened in Monaco and Mexico) I am not really interested in what Loeb does now as the title is a dead certainty. Hopefully next year Mini and VW can put something up that gives Loeb some worries.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
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Originally Posted by stefanvv
That's the thing, though. In professional motorsports you get paid to do a job, those that pay the piper call the tune...
When I was a paid guy crashing my meager brains out, I was paid 'Start money" by the organiser of the event. They paid me to put on a good a show as I could since we all know I wasn't going to be fighting for the win.. If a reporter asked me about what I thought of the event or somebody put a camera in my face, I better speak up, be friendly and have something amusing to say in decent French. If I crashed I was supposed to get up and put a charge on even if it hurt like hell and some minor thing like a couple of fingers were broken, or bleeding and bruised all to hell.. They paid good, I did what they asked.
A No.2 driver knows this by time they have gotten to that level, they have managers and people to explain their role, and they know how fast they are compared to the other guys so they know what they should do: they do what they are paid to.
Dimvii is right.
Every business has its own hierarchy, or chain of command.. It takes some maturity of disciple or seeing a bigger picture than your own momentary wishes to function well in a big hierarchy... Some can do it--and reap long term benefits, clearly Loeb can and does.. So maybe just aren't team people enough, or the team is too fantasy based..
Clearly something is wrong with the people deciding car build and set up at Ford with drastically wrong set ups and pads and tires, it's not like they car or the road or the driver's have changed that much...is it they gamble more?
Anyway that's the way it is when you accept money...you do what you're told to..
(Thank goodness I was my own mechanic, engine builder, suspension specialist, driver for the transport and diesel mechanic, oh and my own manager mostly :s mash: because I'm not a guy who works in a team environment that well...)( And all those things worked good for paying the rent later when I was old and broken and washed up at 3:s mokin :)
especially mini... and Ogier was not competitive this year unfortunately....he could be a challenge for sure for the title this year but he did not deliver.... pity... and what about Meeke... he also was a challenger until mid season but after losing the chance to compete in the first 7 rounds i think he doesn't any chances anymore...he might come back to win everything though... Nobre is also getting experience round by round so next year so next year especially if Loeb retires he could be a force...Quote:
Originally Posted by Plan9
Yes Loeb is good and awesome in Germany. But is this topic for Germany Rally talk?!
It wasn't irony, it isn't seb's fault. It the other teams fault, the whole package isn't at citroens level. I think that the cars finally is close to equal, but the teamstrategy in msport is a joke. Always some ****ups to destroy a proper result, i.g brakepads, tyrechoice, setup, strategy or whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Petter did the only right thing, try to put pressure on seb. Why secure a second, its no point anyway! You have to beat him, to acive anything against seb.
Video Day Two WRC Rallye Deutschland 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRU6a32CBuw
"I don't know how much damage has been done," said Wilson, "but they have slid into something and damaged the right-rear of the car.
"It sounds like they broke all the rear suspension, so if they got out of the stage it was unlikely they would have got to service. This way we are hopeful of getting the car out for tomorrow.
"We wanted him to keep the pressure on [rally leader Sebastien] Loeb, but there was no reason to take any risks. It's very frustrating and disappointing.
"We have had a very good package here, but it's been the same story all season: the car's had the pace [to win], but then there's a disappointment."
Solberg's team-mate Jari-Matti Latvala continues to run in second in the sister Fiesta RS WRC.
Wilson to autosport, on the teams effort. Maybe he should be a litle smarter? Wrong pads, idiot strategy and tyrechoices noone can belive. He has his fair amount of the cake/misses all by himselves....
Wake up! Day 3 is about to start in a minute.
It's raining on the stages this morning, so we can see some more action until the rally end.
Any TV coverage for the sss?
i think ARD Das Erste from 13:15,
ThanksQuote:
Originally Posted by Bartek
Where's Mikkelsen :confused:
Wiegand stopped on stage :(
It seems Wiegand move again !
Wiegand front right suspension broken.
NOVIKOV E. / KLINGER N. Reported retired :(
Novikov broken driveshaft
yeah, quite little meaning in a statement like that. says the most of fords teamtactics, or the missing of that...Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
wilson is an idiot, coments like that states that.
I don't know why we continue to bother about M-Sport's approaches. Both factory teams are highly commercial, nothing special here, the difference is that Citroen are making the trade mark with the sport, M-Sport care just for selling more and more (rally) cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
How much news is it with one man show every year in a championship? Media will be more and more uninterested in WRC with all the aftermath of that. No sponsors no more factory teams, etz.Quote:
Originally Posted by danon
Sorry, Loeb with all his skills has slowly strangled the WRC. We have to accept his superiority, but how long can we accept that WRC is dying...?