But which is cause and which is effect?Quote:
Originally Posted by bandit12
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But which is cause and which is effect?Quote:
Originally Posted by bandit12
https://www.autohebdo.fr/actualites/...-du-recul.html
According to the article, Tänak could take a step back like he did last year in Monza, could be very logical if Rovanperä takes the title here in NZ.
Hopefully now this question is set aside and everybody won't ask it 10 times a day.
He'd be an idiot if he misses Japan.
^Scrap that comment, I'm the idiot for not reading the full translated article etc
He's not in Toyota, so not that important anyway..Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
They're on about 2023.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
It's a new event that's seemingly going to be in the championship for years (and an event towards the end of the calendar). Go and experience it so he is on a level playing field next year when a championship might be at stakeQuote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
But he is also considering to stay at home next season and in that case it doesn't matter if he did Japan or not. Even though we are on a rally forum, there are bigger things in life than rally. At least for most people.
Ah ok, got mistaken by just reading Eli's post instead of translating the whole article.
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Originally Posted by EstWRC
how things can change, i wrote those posts after Rally Portugal, when everything just seemed so miserable and the car and the team was just nowhere. we really believed with friends that he will get no win or only one win this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
now 5 months later, we have 3 wins and he has been out of podium only on Rally Safari cause of technical/mechanical issues. Great consistency
Points since Sardegna:
Ott 136
Kalle 131
Thierry 84
Elfyn 80
Takamoto 62
And he didn't even win Estonia ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Fair enough, but Kalle had the points on the board after Portugal so his approach may have been different if he was in Ott's position. And of course Ott had nothing to lose after that start to the year and could just go all-out for wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
kalle has 3 wins, a second place and 2 crashes since sardegna. That surely looks like someone going all-out for wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Happy birthday, champ! :)
Off to msport to help develop their Darak project and also WRC in Puma I would reckon
I think for sure 2023 will have a different script, hopefully, fingers crossed, one that says, title fight on his hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
So, the caption is: "Tänak between Toyota and M-Sport cars analyzing the future options"Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
A lot of "what if-s", but really seems like wasted 3 years of prime-time. Remembered my own comment after Rally Sardinia:
https://www.motorsportforums.com/sho...=1#post1301041
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Originally Posted by meh
David Evans thoughts https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/tanak...es-he-do-next/
Sound like he won’t be driving next year
Makes sense as the other team options aren't really practical (MSport) or necessary (Toyota).Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Surely if he wanted to keep competing he would negotiate a new drive before quitting Hyundai.
Actually I can not see too much logic behind "M-Sport does not have enough money to hire Tänak".
The sentence is true in condition when there are many team fighting to get Tänak to their team, but this is not the case at the moment.
If money could be priority no 1, why he left Hyundai then? So it's not probably most important thing.
At the moment I would say, if Tänak want to drive for M-Sport, he can do it. Means he is not forced to retire.
Switch to drive for M-Sport on the cheap instead of staying at Hyundai for €millions ? I dont think so.
if Ott has to quit,why he didnt announced it yesterday?
cant see the logic
Wish him well whatever he chooses and if its a different chapter outside the sport then the best of luck to him and his family.
I know it would be unusual, but of all the drivers that could possibly do that he would be top of my list. He has spent the last 5 years at Toyota and Hyundai, getting paid very well, but never really being the favoured driver despite his ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Maybe for him the prospect of being the guy who the team gets behind and be able to lead the development of not only the WRC, but the Dakar too, is more appealing than battling against the tide in a team more orientated around another driver.
Of course it may not happen, but with him it wouldn’t surprise me as much as it would others if it did.
The final reason you mentioned in the end is about rally2?Quote:
Originally Posted by meh
I think there is not much left for Tänak. Definetly Toyota has no interest for Tänak, Rovanpera is doing the job, M-Sport there is no perspective for Tänak. If Tänak wanted to continue his career, only way was Hyundai, now when he leaves Hyundai there are no opportunities left.
Yes 100% he could go to M-Sport, Malcolm would be happy, but dont think that Tänak wants to fight with a car thats not on the level others and with no salary.
So the most logical end of the story is retirement as sad as it is.
Can see Tanak doing selected events next season, so he can drive for the fun of it while also getting to spend more time with the family.
Msport would make sense, how good would be if Tanak and Loeb could split a season between them. Msport would have a potential winner on every rally.
Or....,what about split season at Toyota with Ogier ;)? You'd imagine Tanak wanting to do a lot of events Ogier won't - for instance Sweden, Estonia, Finland etc. And he can also help with the rally2 development and his redgrey team can get their paws on that potential cashcow....
If he was retiring or taking a sabbatical I'm sure he would've announced that in his statement. Plus, if he wasn't driving next year, would it be in Tanak or Hyundais best interest to do Japan together (with both titles wrapped up? Ott could stay at home with his family and Hyundai could give Suninen/Mikkelsen/Meeke or whoever a drive instead.
Best case scenario is he does the full season and leads Msport.
why so many people feel tanak will retire?? and I'm feeling he will continue in Toyota in 2023 no matter how latvala think. it's the Mr toyoda who make the decision
It's not about our feelings, it's more about his. Retirement comments came from him as he said he first need to check what is the situation in family (due to health issues) and then comes "which team" question.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1988senna
The final thing: "One more thing. It was Adamo personally who hired/convinced him to join. They seemed to match quite well, and we know how that developed - Adamo left. Another reason, why he joined, didn't realize or do not exists anymore."Quote:
Originally Posted by manthey
No, I didn't have any Rally2 topic in my mind. Just human connection and match between Adamo and Tänak.
many years ago ogier said the same.but he finally make the decision in 2021. Can't trust what tanak sayQuote:
Originally Posted by meh
Bcs Ogiers situation was way different. Obviously many have missed a small bit of info that circulated here somewhere in the spring, for short while, about the "family" argument. My prediction is that Tanak will take a semi-active pause in 2023 and then, possibly, returns in 2024 if all is good with family matter; and situation would be way different in Team/Driver market.
Tanak himself has also hinted at issues at home and needing to spend time with his family. That may be more important than any logic involving cars, teams, money etc. My gut also says some kind of part time program, european rallies.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndersX
What is the issue that Finns have with this Tänak?
Social media, forums and the press are full of posts that is rather derogatory.
Where does it come from?
On the other hand, even from this forum i can see how Estonians have a rather positive attitude towards Finnish competitors
I can only speak for myself, I have always been happy about his success.Quote:
Originally Posted by bandit12
Personally I don't have the impression that Finns in general are against Tänak. But I don't follow Finnish media and forums that much as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by bandit12
But some ideas:
* Tänak's personality is quite polarizing - you like him a lot or you don't like him a lot. If those "not likers" are loud, it may give the impression that all finns are against him. But if to dig in French or Belgium forums (random examples), could we make same conclusions? I guess so.
* Toyota is pretty much Finnish team, and Tänak left it.
* Tänak didn't mach well with Finnish multi-time world-champion Mäkinen (pretty much the same like last point)
* Manager Timo Jouhki have been critic for Märtin-Tänak quite a lot
* Tänak is one of the main competitors for Fins new start Rovanperä
And again - nation-wide abstraction is not maybe the best.
These points apply to Lappi as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by meh
Why Tanak&Martin are criticized?Quote:
Originally Posted by meh