So do you agree with him that I am suggesting that F1 stand still in terms of safety? Do you think it's quite clear that I want safety in F1 to go even further?Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
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So do you agree with him that I am suggesting that F1 stand still in terms of safety? Do you think it's quite clear that I want safety in F1 to go even further?Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
You've confused a reference to knock on with an insult. Should I have said "there's a rugby loving person on this forum who seems to think that the revised helmets will now keep everything out of the cockpit, even catchfences :dozey: " :confused: I'm having a dig at what Knockie has said, not Knockie himself. Attack the post, not the poster and all of that :)Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
As a starter, respect rules.
I can't agree with that Henners. Daniel has made sure to insult anyone and everyone that doesn't agree with his opinions by posting things such as:Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
So apparently we are all childish and/or not bothered by the death of a driver in Daniels view. And I find it no surprise that the "trolling" card is being played, as that is standard procedure now when Daniel plays the victim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Had anyone else started this thread and acted in such a way, it would probably have been closed long ago. But instead we continue the trend of Daniel getting a free pass to insult others and degrade the discussion in the forum, insulting others at will yet crying when an oposing opinion exists.
I'm starting to think that the standards of fairness used by the stewards at the F1 races are far more logical and fair handed than the standards enforced on this forum. And that's really a shame because at most times in the past the forum was kept under control.
Ben has refused to answer my question, maybe you will. Have I actually (as SGWilko said) suggested that safety in F1 should stand still? The fact that i've started this thread with the view that safety in F1 could be better and detailing the ways in which I think it could be made better should suggest otherwise. If someone is guilty of such a blatant lie as this would it not be fair to say that they're trolling for a reaction?Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
Henners, I'm not quite sure how else to interpret this.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
I got accused in an Apple thread before Steve Jobs died, of not putting my point across well, of being a bit ambiguous.
Now SGWilko comes here and says something that is quite frankly preposterous and in no way trye and no one says "Jeez mate, you could have said that better" or anything to that effect.
If you don't want to admit what he's said then the only person you're cheating is yourself.
Disagree with me as to whether measures need to be taken to improve safety in F1 in the ways I've mentioned, reasonable people can do that. But don't simply allow someone to troll because you agree with his opinion on the subject.
Unless due to what some might call a strange occurrence the concrete (or for that matter suspension spring, or wheel or bird or stray dog hit the driver in the head, where it is not protected by anything but a helmet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
Get of the high horse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
Your knowledge of the sport and of the technology would make a frog look savant, yet the beer gives you lots of courage to trash those who use reasoned arguments to support safety improvements in a sport they appreciate for what it is.
Welcome to the wold of the forum gangs!Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
They might not be fair and smart but there are many of them who gang up to have a laugh behind you.
A paragraph which would suggest that you are well and truly against personal attacks. Well done. And yet...Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
That sounds to me like a direct personal attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Which is it?
Why do you insist getting into a fight that you have nothing to do with? Is it the gang psychology? Looks like it to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
Anyway I've been around enough to know whom will jump in to support the usual suspects around here to be surprised by your move.
Who also don't or can't understand the points other people are making, let alone formulate a consistent argument against them.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
I find it futile discussing things with such people although I admit to trying in the past.
Best walk away and save your time for the more productive and enjoyable things in life.
I agree with you completely. Sadly, it increasingly seems as though, with a few exceptions, discussions on these forums have increasingly been taken over by idiots. I say that not because I disagree with them, but am referring to people who are unable to engage in debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malbec
The sole argument for open wheen open cockpit racing seems to be that this was the way it was in the past. What if all those years ago they had been racing cars with a roof and with enclosed wheels? if there was an argument against having an enclosed cockpit (lets say drivers were getting burnt to death) then the same people would be arguing against open cockpit racing purely on the basis that F1 is a closed cockpit formula.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malbec
It gets to the point where people aren't even talking about the safety or the spectacle, but merely wanting things to stay the same because that's how things were in the past.
If you think thats the sole point for open wheel/cockpit racing levelled in this thread then you clearly haven't bothered to take on board the multiple, complex and often well put together arguments aimed in your direction, and have also illustrated that further discussion with you is futile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Thank you for demonstrating that my post you quoted is indeed true.
The difference between me and some of the people on here is that for instance when Ioan agrees with me and makes a personal attack I have the balls to actually tell him that he's done wrong and stop it. I'm not going to lie and say I'm perfect, I'm not, but it would be at least nice if people did the decent thing and came down on people merely spoiling for a fight even if they do agree with the viewpoint of the troublemaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
That Ben STILL hasn't come out and admitted that SGWilko was trolling (Henners seems to have mumbled something about it to his credit) does Ben a great disservice. Ben and Dylan are two people I used to have a lot of respect for, two people who are usually the voice of reason yet they'll happily sit by while someone like SGWilko deliberately tries to provoke. People wonder why i'm somewhat "unhappy" in this thread when this sort of behaviour is more or less encouraged :dozey:
OK perhaps that was a poor way of saying it. What I meant was that the crux of the argument seems to be history. I understand the concerns regarding the extraction of a driver and so on, but the FIA are just at the stage where they've fired a tyre at a canopy. No one is suggesting that the cars simply have canopies put on them now without thought of any other risks or the design of such a system so as to result in a net reduction in risk. There seems to be a quickness to poo poo the idea based on perceived and unquantified risks rather than seeing what people like Ross Brawn or Adrian Newey could do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malbec
Dan. Forget about the 'he said this, she said that' nonsense nd get back to the thread.
Please QUANTIFY the risk of open cockpits at the moment. What has actually happened in the past 20 years to necessitate a change to canopies and what is the potential risk as you perceive it.
Then we might be able to have a sensible discussion on the actual risk of continuing as we are and the potential risk that would be introduced by using a canopy.
It's not about ganging up and having a go at you and ioan because of who you are, but about the risk of having and not having canopies. It may be that 90% of the forum is wrong on this matter but I still haven't seen you or ioan quantify the risk as you see it.
So are you saying that i shouldn't be unhappy or complain about someone trolling? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on