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This maybe true. Solberg, in all fairness, would likely have been as close here on Rally GB in a Subaru.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
I have derived a new theory... Its call 'Latvala Theory'
Latvala = (Rocket Man AND off) OR (Relatively fast AND 4th)
Yeah that's why he was able to beat Gronholm in a 5 year old car!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother John
Hirvonens biggest problem for next year is the amount of tarmac rounds (I think there will be 4 of those ... Bulgaria, Spain, France and Germany)Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
and he was nowhere in those championships...Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
nowhere ??? he was 3rd just 7 points off the champion of nobodies
I think it´s time to gratulate Loeb to the champinsionship, I don´t think Mikko could cath him, Loeb is allways faster second time around and will get a bigger gap.
:)
Yes, I think you're right. That's what makes rallying so appealing is the fact to give up in a very second you loose a bit. Probably nothing can happen in those relatively slippery muddy stages when rally is almost over, only a half of it is left :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by kolvas
I can not belive to my eyes that most of Mikko's fans would like to see Seb ran off the road, to become a victim of technical problems...Stop comforting yourselve-the fact is that Seb is faster!!
The difference between them is small-but there is a difference and so will tomorrow someone become the champion sixth time in the row and someone first time vice-champion!
And I don't wish to anyone in this rally that technical problems would spoil him a drive....
Who?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ucci
@ Ucci,
You can't beleve the Miko fans would like for Seb to run off or get tec problems. Whel beleve me if it whas the other way round and Miko whould be first, the Seb fans whould like the same to happen to Miko.
It Whas always that way, and always whill be.
Personaly i dond care but whold like Miko to come back and let the dissision fall in the last ss.
There is not a thing called vice champion.
You know, facts pls!Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzz Lightyear
I wish you guys would wake up and see the truth, instead of talking total C$£p.
Mikko will never be as quick as Seb, yes he is very fast but he doesnt have that very little extra to bring the times out of the car.
Anyone else who pulls Jari down should hang their heads in shame, seems to me your jealous of his enormous talent, just look at old he is then compare to Seb Mikko and you will see he is so far ahead it is untrue. Mikko entered 4 or 5 wrc events at that age and binned the car on 3 of them the others were very unnoticeable results, Seb was just coming into jwrc.
I will say this though if Mika stopped acting like a spoilt brat and got his head our of his £&$£ he might start to get somewhere.
Sorry if i have upset anyone but the truth hurts at times
sorry for silly mistake
I love these forums there great, Hello to you all
mika ??
You mean Mikko?
Who is Mika?!!!
Mikko Hirvonen, you should all know!
Doesn't seem like too much wrong with the car to me...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mauri A
http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=101&id=6381
Sebastien Loeb completed Saturday morning's loop of stages on the Rally of Great Britain with a 25 second overall lead - thanks largely to two stunning performances on SS8 and SS9 which left his title rival Mikko Hirvonen completely stumped.
Hirvonen was clearly frustrated as he arrived at the end of SS9; the Finn shaking his head as he tried to understand what was going on. "I'm not sure if someone is wrong, I just don't know. For some reason I just can’t do the times. I'm trying but it’s just not going anywhere," he said.
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Originally Posted by PeteRobs
I totally agree with you. Mika is not a good driver.
His on the fourth place of all time imagenery rally drivers
What do you mean 'Mika is not a good driver'?
Oh i forgot to add.
The reason Loeb is so fast today is the stages are completely differant to yesterday, they are smoother, harder and make a hell of a difference to the first car on the road when wet like they are.
Remember Burns and McRae years ago when they were first on road they were upto 30 secs+ faster on the long stages :s mokin: :s mokin:
Does somebody know what has happened with Patrick Sandell? Alltough he was far from the pace of Brynildsen, he was second in PWRC, but doesn't appear anymore in the standings? :confused: :(
with power steering problem and stuck in the ditchQuote:
Originally Posted by wwbroe
Deep in my mind I'm not even very surprised. But being a Finn, I've felt compelled to believe to Mikko's championship hopes.
Mikko doesn't have the speed or the aggression to achieve the championship victory. Mikko very rarely says that he will go there and beat the cr*p out of the others. That on the other hand makes him super-consistent. Mikko is a perfect team player and a suberb second driver. If Marcus would still drive, Mikko would be a perfect team mate.
Then on the other hand we have JML. He is so eager to win that usually when others would have given up, he fights so hard that normally he exceeds his/car's/road's limit and crashes out. He isn't excatly your best team player. He is a very irrational driver. Why can't he just sometimes back off? But think about his motivation. Isn't it crystal clear? "To be the fastest there is." Have you seen JM's mood when he is ready to win? Happy, talkative. But whenever he messes up he usually makes himself a second driver and then he is like an animal in a cage.
Here we are, with two totally different drivers. Both seem to be too extremists. One is super-consistent but lacks speed, the other is super-fast but lacks consistency big time.
As we say in Finland, "Voiko v*tutukseen kuolla?" I dearly hope not.
good stuff!Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteRobs
it's clear why seb make just 5s ahead yestoday.
According to the radio he stopped on the last stage???
Dont get me wrong Mikko is an awesome driver but he doesnt have that little extra in reserve to be able to beat Loeb, a bit like Hamilton vs Kovalainen for most of the F1 seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Langdale Forest
http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2009/813.html
Very good post, and 100% correct to my feeling too....Quote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
totally agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
JML sometimes like duval,it's too early to win or beat mikko or seb.he need steady progress
For any of you who think that Hirvonen is not a good driver, look at this from Japan inn 2007. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-ehDmd_O6g
Latvala is more talented that Duval because of his determination to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by shaitan
maybe,everyone has natural speed but duval and latvala just can not control it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Langdale Forest
Yes Loeb is overall better driver than Hirvonen.
But this year I do think he "deserved" to win. There are at least 3 things which would have cost Loeb the title if rally ends like this:
1. No team orders on Sardinia => Latvala winning (-2 points for Mikko)
2. 2 Citroen junior drivers slowing up to 20 mins so that Loeb gets 2 points in Poland
3. "Clever" FIA decision to give just the "right" penalty to Citroen in Australia (specially compared with those windows on Fords before)
Sure it's small things, but they do add up.
McRae had speed and he could control it,,, sometimes.
If it was not for the Citroen team orders in spain, Hirvonen would have had a better chance of the championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by ridder
mcrae >>>>>>> duval and JMLQuote:
Originally Posted by Langdale Forest
and why he is champion.
For me all the drivers are, after all day, have similar driving abilty.
This is proved by shakedown. If the drivers keep pounding round and round, you will get Ogier setting a time on his 6th run, that matches Loeb.
Naturaly driving ability is 70%, the other 30% is in the driver head.
This is not measurable, and where Loeb has it over the other drivers.
Also remember Latvala's stupid crash in SSS of Poland which netted Seb 1 extra point.Quote:
Originally Posted by ridder
That was Latvala's fault, AGAIN!
And that does not have much impact on the championship because things like that are always happening.