Monaco 2016

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Originally Posted by henners88

Drivers only get a warning if they cut a chicane twice. If they do it a third time then they get a drive through penalty. As Lewis only did it once, it wasn't deemed a topic for the stewards.

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That is the way it is when you're alone , but should it be that way if you are in tight defense of position ?

In my thoughts , it should have been added to the context of the decision , simply because it was the cutting of the chicane that had Lewis's speed compromised , allowing for Daniel to get along side on the exit .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

... it was the cutting of the chicane that had Lewis's speed compromised , allowing for Daniel to get along side on the exit .

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When the drivers hits the white lines there should be proportional consequences as if they were still hitting walls.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

That is the way it is when you're alone , but should it be that way if you are in tight defense of position ?

In my thoughts , it should have been added to the context of the decision , simply because it was the cutting of the chicane that had Lewis's speed compromised , allowing for Daniel to get along side on the exit .

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OK, how alone do you have to be? Nose to tail; half a car; a car; half a lap? Do you really want to open a can of worms like that?

My impression is that this kind of defensive behavior should not be tolerated. Cutting a chicane when you're defending track position against a pursuer is not acceptable. If there was a wall in there, the driver wouldn't be cutting the corner, but if there is none, they may just jump the chicane and ensure that they're not overtaken then and there. If you cut a chicane in order to avoid being overtaken, you should yield your position to the driver behind you. Shame the stewards don't agree with my views.

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Originally Posted by N4D13

My impression is that this kind of defensive behavior should not be tolerated. Cutting a chicane when you're defending track position against a pursuer is not acceptable. If there was a wall in there, the driver wouldn't be cutting the corner, but if there is none, they may just jump the chicane and ensure that they're not overtaken then and there. If you cut a chicane in order to avoid being overtaken, you should yield your position to the driver behind you. Shame the stewards don't agree with my views.

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You might care to go back through recordings from the past 25 years to see how many of the 'greats' have been chicane cutters - you can get away with murder (or taking opponents out with zero compunction) if you can make it look like a racing incident.
Hopefully we'll get a few more wet races this year to see if Mercedes have (or need to) learned how to set their cars up for cool conditions.

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Originally Posted by Starter

OK, how alone do you have to be? Nose to tail; half a car; a car; half a lap? Do you really want to open a can of worms like that?

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Many decisions involve an element of judgement , and thus , we have stewards .

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Originally Posted by N4D13

My impression is that this kind of defensive behavior should not be tolerated. Cutting a chicane when you're defending track position against a pursuer is not acceptable. If there was a wall in there, the driver wouldn't be cutting the corner, but if there is none, they may just jump the chicane and ensure that they're not overtaken then and there. If you cut a chicane in order to avoid being overtaken, you should yield your position to the driver behind you. Shame the stewards don't agree with my views.

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I basically agree .
He missed it because of pressure from behind , and it had him re-entering the track surface from off it , while his opponent stayed on track .

I'm not sure if the stewards agree or not , though , as they seemingly were not investigating that issue , but rather only the squeeze into the next corner .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

That is the way it is when you're alone , but should it be that way if you are in tight defense of position ?

In my thoughts , it should have been added to the context of the decision , simply because it was the cutting of the chicane that had Lewis's speed compromised , allowing for Daniel to get along side on the exit .

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I think the benefit of the doubt was used by the stewards and in the end it didn't take away from a good win. I wouldn't have minded Daniel winning either and felt he was equally deserving but racing needs to be unpredictable at times to remain exciting.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I think the benefit of the doubt was used by the stewards and in the end it didn't take away from a good win. I wouldn't have minded Daniel winning either and felt he was equally deserving but racing needs to be unpredictable at times to remain exciting.

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Upon further reading of the actual words from the stewards , it seems that it wasn't just the benefit of the doubt .
He did cut the chicane , but , didn't breach the rule , since he didn't gain advantage technically , because Daniel got close enough to make the outside move out of the chicane .
It's kinda weird reasoning , but it means they actually did take the whole sequence through the chicane into context in the decision .

I'm still not quite sure I agree with it , but I more understand the logic they used in the ruling now , I think .

I think incidents like this all depend on whether the person likes the driver. If this had been Daniel cutting the chicane and Lewis coming alongside but losing out, I doubt we'd really be discussing this. Daniel is a nice guy, Lewis is full of himself, but that shouldn't come into driving matters IMO.