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16th December 2012, 11:28
ioan

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

And therein lies the crux of the entire matter. In HK, with a population of well over 13 million in that tiny place, nobody apart from law enforcement officials are permitted to Bear Arms. Not surprisingly, there are no mass murders in Hong Kong. And I would be specious to argue that children are more valued in Hong Kong than the United States of America. Maybe the entire population of The United States of America need an introspective consideration into what lives their people hold sacred, and which lives they can extinguish according to their precious second amendment.

Oh come on Valve, what with this example? If it is not US and NRA approved it never existed? Who did ever hear about this place Hong Kong? It sure isn't in the US, and if it isn't not in the US then it does not count. End of sarcastic comment. :\
16th December 2012, 11:38
Mark

Well the argument is pointless. As said above this is deemed acceptable. The answer to put a stop to it is clear but it seems it isn't welcome so this will continue to happen.
16th December 2012, 12:01
Rollo

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Originally Posted by Starter

Fact: Alcohol was banned here early in the century. Result: Plenty of alcohol available, at a slightly higher price and with a new class of criminals engaged in a violent trade.
Fact: Drugs are banned here. Result: Plenty of drugs available, now with a very violent class of criminal getting the huge profits and addicts getting virtually no treatment.
Fact: Guns banned in New York city and Washington DC. Result: Gun violence rampant in those cities and the law abiding general populace helpless.

Conclusion: The American people are faulty.

Henceforth, why are you advocating that they have access to instruments of destruction and death?
16th December 2012, 12:15
Rollo

This is interesting:

Sig Sauer .223-Caliber Semi-Automatic Rifle Reportedly Used By Ryan Lanza At School Shooting In Connecticut
NBC News, which picked up an article from the Associated Press, said that of the two guns recovered, one of them was a .223 caliber rifle. Earlier, CNN had identified the two guns as a Sig Sauer and a Glock.

Who identified the Sig Sauer as their 2011 Golden Bullseye Award? None other than the NRA.
NRA Magazines announce winners of the 2011 Golden Bullseye Award and Golden Bullseye Pioneer Award
Handgun of the Year, SIG Sauer P226 E2

The AP reported that the Sauer at 0.223 was caliber of the rifle used and curiously "Guns & Ammo" mag thought that it was the "Best Home Defense Caliber".
Is .223 the Best Home Defense Caliber? - Guns & Ammo
Military-style rifles have always been popular in this country, but since September 11, 2001, the sales of the AR15 and its clones have skyrocketed—just look at how many companies are making them now. There are a number of factors behind this—increased exposure to the weapon system via media, fears of terrorism and the realization of just how fun the darn things are to shoot.

It all makes sense now. This was an informed purchase based on recommendations from such law abiding organisations like the NRA. Obviously it must be "fun" to empty rounds of fire into children.
16th December 2012, 14:11
DBell

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Originally Posted by ioan

Your point being? Is it because the US has started more wars then Germany? Is it because the US is still being at war with a bunch of countries in year 2012?! Go on let us know!
We, Europeans learned from our history, you obviously did not.

??? Nothing to do with war. If you look at what I quoted, my response seems clear to me. Maybe someone can help you with the big words.

Maybe you have learned from your history. Of course, you had to kill tens of millions of people and lay the continent to waste to achieve this.
16th December 2012, 15:43
race aficionado

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/16/6ajedesa.jpg

Not funny.
16th December 2012, 16:30
anthonyvop

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Originally Posted by leighton323

The Americans in the argument on this forum have the outlook of putting an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff to try and save the man who fell. The rest of the world in this argument in this forum have the view of putting a fence up at the top of the cliff to stop the man from falling. If that makes sense to you people. I Wonder what decision has the best outcome.. Hmm

Actually I am in favor of punishing the PEOPLE who step over the edge.
16th December 2012, 16:35
anthonyvop

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Originally Posted by ioan

Believe it or not there is a reason why European Cities rank way above the US cities in the life quality statistics, and crime (well the lack of it) is also one reason for that.
Going from one fire arm related crime to two in a decade would be a 100% increase, but I am sure you already know that. Or maybe not?!
The point is Europe far outnumbers the US in population, yet we come nowhere near in crime levels, let alone fire arms related ones.

Take for Example Vienna, Austria, a 2million inhabitants city where we get about 20 murders in a year. How does that compare to US cities?

Why is that every 2nd TV movie in the US is about cops and crime and drugs and so on? Does it have any connection to your paranoia for owning guns to protect yourselves?

Instead of spitting venom about the mental issues that the euro do not really have, you might want to take a look in the mirror, it might help you see your own issues and cure them.

And yes our governments certainly do a better job at protecting us then yours does, the numbers are out there and tell the story for everyone to see.

Those ranking are based on what Europeans think is important for quality of life. For me FREEDOM is number one and in that Europe is sadly lacking. You may think you have freedom but every day I hear reports of how such basic freedoms of Speech, Thought and Self-Determination are virtually non-existent.

If you like that great. but don't for even one second think that you are free and I want to live that way.
16th December 2012, 16:37
Bagwan

Has anyone else here seen the movie "God bless America." ?
16th December 2012, 16:43
anthonyvop

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Originally Posted by ioan

Weapons have been freely available to Europe's inhabitants thousands of years before America was settled by your ancestors, yet we are not keeping weapons at home, to 'defend' ourselves against imaginary dangers.

That is because we do. I so much want the US out of NATO. I would give you guys 3 years tops before you fall apart.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Might be braver, but certainly not smarter. Just a small difference supported by today's reality.

He has his money, his life and, most important his dignity. He is way smarter than you.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Your point being? Is it because the US has started more wars then Germany? Is it because the US is still being at war with a bunch of countries in year 2012?! Go on let us know!
We, Europeans learned from our history, you obviously did not.

The US has Never started a war. Check you facts. The Germans on the other hand.......

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Originally Posted by ioan

Fact: You guys are messed up badly.

Over here we never had any of this crap and we are doing just fine, I wonder why is that? Maybe because our government and our mass media doesn't keep telling us that we are in danger every 2 minutes? Maybe because we do not go to war with half the Middle East and instead of paying for war and weapons we use that money to give people a better life quality which automatically takes away the need to go around and commit crimes?

You are doing fine? Then how come tens of thousands of you guys want to immigrate to the US every year while only a trickle of Americans want to live in Europe?

Your is a morally, corrupt society that lives as a nanny state.

Argue all you want. The fact is I will decide how I will protect myself, my family and my property. Not you. Not Obama not anyone.

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