Is There a God?

Oh god ......


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Originally Posted by race aficionado

Yes, There is a God and she is black.

:s mokin:

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And lesbian. And she's on everybody's side, not just on "our side".

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Originally Posted by race aficionado

Yes, There is a God and she is black.

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Originally Posted by Eki

And lesbian. And she's on everybody's side, not just on "our side".

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My goddess is also hot in a Black /Latino "mixed ethnicity" kind of way :s ailor:

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Originally Posted by ioan

Knowledge and common sense?

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My whole debate with BD was about showing how actually limited and flawed the notions of knowledge and common sense are. No matter how "rational" you try to be you still end up relying on second hand knowledge and authority. Believers are in a far better position at least because they recognize their reliance on authority and factor it in. Based on that I see that the alleged comparative advantages of the "fact and reason" thinking are non-existent.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

A pretty rubbish rebuttal of what I had to say, in my view. Could you address the points in hand, please?

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I did not mean that my thinking is superior to yours. One thing Christianity teaches is being humble. :) On the individual level our thinking is as good as our mental ability is. Theists can be just as terribly wrong on any given account as atheists could be. The difference is theists have a different big picture of the world, know there are certain things beyond their control and accept that. Moreover, they have a plausible explanation of why things go wrong or right.

On a different note, evoking the examples of Muslim extremists was still questionable. Every half-decent professor would tell you it is a weak technique of arguing.

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Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz

My whole debate with BD was about showing how actually limited and flawed the notions of knowledge and common sense are. No matter how "rational" you try to be you still end up relying on second hand knowledge and authority. Believers are in a far better position at least because they recognize their reliance on authority and factor it in. Based on that I see that the alleged comparative advantages of the "fact and reason" thinking are non-existent.

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What?

If being rational relies on second hand knowledge then what on earth is relying on the bible? A book based on 3rd or 4th hand tales of different myths.

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Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz

I did not mean that my thinking is superior to yours. One thing Christianity teaches is being humble. :) On the individual level our thinking is as good as our mental ability is. Theists can be just as terribly wrong on any given account as atheists could be. The difference is theists have a different big picture of the world, know there are certain things beyond their control and accept that. Moreover, they have a plausible explanation of why things go wrong or right.

On a different note, evoking the examples of Muslim extremists was still questionable. Every half-decent professor would tell you it is a weak technique of arguing.

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Christianity is humble?

Many of the practices that christians take part in, such as praying, are anything but humble. It actually assumes that given the impossible size of the universe and all of the species that have ever existed, god actually wants to have a personal relationship with you and is willing to change his 'devine plan' if you pray to him. That is what I call arrogance and selfishness.

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Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz

My whole debate with BD was about showing how actually limited and flawed the notions of knowledge and common sense are. No matter how "rational" you try to be you still end up relying on second hand knowledge and authority. Believers are in a far better position at least because they recognize their reliance on authority and factor it in. Based on that I see that the alleged comparative advantages of the "fact and reason" thinking are non-existent.

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Pardon my direct expression but that is BS.
What I see with my eyes, what I can demonstrate with my own thinking is not second hand knowledge or authority.
Maybe to you science is 2nd hand knowledge, when in fact it is first hand knowledge based on factual proof.

So let's cut the crap, do you think that your car runs on holly ghost instead of fuel, on a cycle based on basic physics principles? Looking forward to a clear and factual answer no daydreaming.

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Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz

I did not mean that my thinking is superior to yours.

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You just meant it. Which is about the same to anyone who can read you posts.

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

What?

If being rational relies on second hand knowledge then what on earth is relying on the bible? A book based on 3rd or 4th hand tales of different myths.

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Well said.

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

Christianity is humble?

Many of the practices that christians take part in, such as praying, are anything but humble. It actually assumes that given the impossible size of the universe and all of the species that have ever existed, god actually wants to have a personal relationship with you and is willing to change his 'devine plan' if you pray to him. That is what I call arrogance and selfishness.

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Now you've got yourself a ticket to hell! :D ;)

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Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz

I did not mean that my thinking is superior to yours. One thing Christianity teaches is being humble. :) On the individual level our thinking is as good as our mental ability is. Theists can be just as terribly wrong on any given account as atheists could be. The difference is theists have a different big picture of the world, know there are certain things beyond their control and accept that. Moreover, they have a plausible explanation of why things go wrong or right.

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Spare us the sanctimonious drivel at the start of those comments, said as though Christians have a monopoly on being humble. The rest of it is what's important, and it betrays a far from humble attitude, which directly contradicts your denial of supposed superiority.

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Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz

On a different note, evoking the examples of Muslim extremists was still questionable. Every half-decent professor would tell you it is a weak technique of arguing.

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Again you fail to answer the question, perhaps because you are afraid to say in public what I would suggest you think — namely that the superior reasoning (for that is what it is) with which you credit believers only applies to those who share your own religious beliefs.