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Originally Posted by Back-N-Black
since we are going to have the first 10-15 going reverse, then the top guys (3-5) all get the ideal position. The sweeping stands for the first 5 cars maximum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back-N-Black
Looks like it's Ogier Vs Quesnel
MaxRally | News | Ogier seeks contract clarification from Citroen
Loeb gave them 7 titles and Ogier gave them 7 wins. I would give advantage to Loeb looking from realistic and human side.
its a copypaste from a Greek forum.source is autosport.com. Bit interesting about the opera thing :D
To briefly contextualise, Sebastien Loeb was leading Rallye Deutschland at the end of day one with Ogier right behind. The pair were told – by visiting Citroen dignitary Jean-Marc Gales – stations would be held.
If you'd arrived from planet wherever and gone to talk to the drivers at the end of the first loop of stages around Trier last Friday, you would have recognised one of the two Citroen drivers as a multiple world champion. But it wouldn't have been Loeb. Despite his immense success and towering record, Loeb remains shorn of the arrogance which often accompanies global domination. Ogier, on the other hand is a stranger to humility.
Citroen's current team principal Olivier Quesnel now finds himself in a slightly awkward position. Loeb, undoubtedly Frequelin's boy from the old regime, has struggled to find the same feeling within the team as when 'Grizzly' had been at the top of the tree. Evidence of this came in Greece earlier in the summer, when Loeb accused Citroen of conspiring to help Ogier against him. Can you imagine him ever levelling that at Frequelin? Precisely. Privately, there have been members of the old guard happy to cast Quesnel and Ogier as co-conspirators in Loeb's downfall. Then, not so privately, there was Frequlin and his opinion. Remember that one? The one where he said Quesnel's head wasn't just big, it was about to explode.
Something had to be done – and Loeb's contract negotiations became a staging post for the myriad internal battles that have plagued Citroen's season. Enter Gales. And some genuine sense of justice. Gales isn't just a big noise in Citroen, he's a member of the management board of PSA Peugeot Citroen. In terms of Peugeot and Citroen, he's the big cheese who decides who gets to decide all the identity of all the other cheeses.
Asked about his man on the ground, he described Quesnel's record as "good". Since Quesnel took charge of the team at the end of 2007, Citroen has not lost a drivers' or manufacturers' world championship title. And Gales describes this 100 per cent record as "good". In his next breath, Gales talks about a symbiotic relationship with Loeb.
The allies who have rallied around the big little man could be bad news for Quesnel and Ogier. With team orders back on the menu and, we're told, in clear contravention of Ogier's contract, the younger of the two Sebastiens is already making noises about jumping ship. Having won a few battles, on the evidence of the views from those at the upper end of the PSA pay-scale, he looks to have lost the war. The political war, that is. Whether or not he'd lose it on the stages is another matter. Right now, Loeb's as fast as he ever was. And you'd have to say, that's fast enough to see off Ogier for the time being.
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Originally Posted by sbrytskyy
interesting speech from Ogier.
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Or did Citroen gave Loeb 7 titles? If Loeb had signed with subaru or ford in his early years, would he have hold so many records?Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
nobody can answer such questions....so we just take for granted only the facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi