Will SchM succeed in his comeback?

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21st March 2010, 14:19
F1boat

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Originally Posted by ioan

How do you know that the drivers you mention were not offered a seat along MS and turned it down knowing they will lose in a direct battle?
You just look to your side of the story and post rubbish you can't substantiate.

What is sure is that at 41 MS is still out there racing in a top team and I understand that it bothers you when you think that JV has to be happy with his guitar.

Brutal, but correct.
21st March 2010, 15:26
ioan

So, who were MS' teammates at Ferrari?

Eddie Irvine - a hot prospect at the time when Todt hired him, he was getting solid results (podium placing) with Jordan in '95 and went on to fight for the championship against the so much hailed Hakkinen in 1999.

Rubens Barrichello - he was also a hot prospect at the time he was hired, before switching to Ferrari he's got podium finishes and a pole positions while driving for Jordan and Stewart Ford.

Felipe Massa - most of you already know how fast and strong of a driver he is.

I fail to see who should have Ferrari hired instead of Irvine and Barrichello?
Hakkinen was a nobody in '95, Coulthard also, Hill was an aged test driver, Frentzen went on to become nothing, Berger and Alesi had just been changed from Ferrari.

Let's face it, Irvine and Barrichello were as good as anyone would have found on the grid at that moment. Anyway,people around here make some outlandish and unsubstantiated claims without even thinking about what they claim, just for the sake of bashing the driver and team who destroyed their favorites.
21st March 2010, 16:08
ioan

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Originally Posted by henners88

It just goes to show that the era we are seeing now and the talent on grid is vastly different to the mid to late 90's. Schuey was a vastly superior driver in that period and its a pity for the sake of arguement, that we are unable to see him measured against a grid like today when he was in his prime.

We don't even know if the current grid is better than the one MS was up against in his prime. All we know is that the level of the grid nowadays is more even because none of them stands out like MS did back then.
21st March 2010, 17:16
EuroTroll

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Originally Posted by henners88

I don't see anything to suggest that the likes of Vettel, Alonso, and Hamilton are inferior to a 25 year old Michael Schumacher.

Well, if old man Schumacher can take on and beat these drivers who are in their prime, I think that means that prime time Schumacher was better than these drivers are.

If...
21st March 2010, 17:23
F1boat

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Originally Posted by ioan

We don't even know if the current grid is better than the one MS was up against in his prime. All we know is that the level of the grid nowadays is more even because none of them stands out like MS did back then.

I have to agree. In my opinion Michael was very special and that's why other competent drivers like Barrichello, R Schumacher, Montoya or Coulthard couldn't win a championship.
21st March 2010, 19:39
Saint Devote

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Originally Posted by henners88

Very true in that instance, but I wouldn't put the likes of Barrichello, R Schumacher and certainly not Coulthard on the same plateau as Vettel, Hamilton and Alonso.. :)

I wouldn't place Vettel or Hamilton in the same league as Alonso either. He has no weaknesses and is team LEADER along the lines of Schumi as opposed to being capable of number 1 status as the other two you have mentioned.

Evidence the Japanese Grand Prix of 2008 for example. Hamilton relies on his team and obeys.

At this stage I would not put Schumacher at the same level as Alonso - no other driver in fact.

If Ferrari maintain a rate of development equal to other teams then as teh season matures, Alonso is going to become stronger.

At this stage, aside from mechanical failure, even though it is early in the season, I reckon Alonso is on the way to his third title.

Schumacher will also become stronger - in my view, Schumi once up to strength is going to take care of everyone except Alonso in his stride by mid-season.
21st March 2010, 23:40
Malbec

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Originally Posted by henners88

I'd love to know what you think you see when you watch a grand prix. Its almost as though the last 3 years do not exist. Alonso has not shown the superiority over the likes of Vettel and particularly Hamilton to which you claim here.

Quite. Whilst Alonso is IMO extremely strong his performance both in and out of the car against Hamilton 2007 did not show any sign of superiority as an overall package, surprising given it was Lewis' first season.

There is no evidence to suggest that Alonso is in a league of his own. He is merely one amongst a group of top drivers that includes Vettel, Hamilton and hopefully a rejuvenated Schumi.

We're lucky that we're being treated to a fourway battle that includes such a wide breadth of talent.
21st March 2010, 23:41
Big Ben

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Originally Posted by henners88

I'd love to know what you think you see when you watch a grand prix. Its almost as though the last 3 years do not exist. Alonso has not shown the superiority over the likes of Vettel and particularly Hamilton to which you claim here.

Funny. It looks like you haven´t been paying too much attention during the last 3 years either.
22nd March 2010, 01:45
Saint Devote

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Originally Posted by henners88

I'd love to know what you think you see when you watch a grand prix. Its almost as though the last 3 years do not exist. Alonso has not shown the superiority over the likes of Vettel and particularly Hamilton to which you claim here.

He has not?

His victory at Suzuka in 2008 was a masterpiece. Neither Vettel nor Hamilton have managed a victory like that. Hamilton takes instructions from his team - he does not comand his position as does Alonso. I rate it as his greatest victory ever demonstrating as a driver his enormous capacity and leadership.

I suspect that in Bahrain Vettel did not pace himself well and Alonso, who caught up to him, was managing for the last 12 laps - in the end he did not have to and won far ahead of everyone else.

Alonso beat Schumacher and managed consecutive championship wins. This changed the game for Ferrari. Di Montezemolo pushed Schumacher out and hired Raikonnen because he lost confidence in Schumacher. He reckoned Michael should have won in 2006. It began the schism that led to Todt leaving.

This is why I consider Alonso superior. He is not only quick but he is a game changer and the last driver to command that respect was Schumacher.

This is why I think that Fernando will claim his third title in 2010 if the Ferrari remains competitive. All the other drivers, except Schumacher are not gamechangers.

Of course they are excellent drivers but not in the same league as the Spaniard. Hamilton even mentioned how he doubted himself during the difficulties in 2009. Alonso even during the most difficult and frustrating times at Renaul in 2008 and 2009 remained resolute about himself.
22nd March 2010, 01:59
Saint Devote

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Originally Posted by Dylan H

We're lucky that we're being treated to a fourway battle that includes such a wide breadth of talent.

Fourway?

A week ago it looked pretty much two-way to me - Red Bull and Ferrari.
Well ONE Red Bull at least!

Maybe Albert Park will see a stronger Mclaren and Mercedes. Woking seems to think that the track will suit it better and both Jenson and Lewis [there is a store in Manhattan at 16th and &th if I recall called: "Jensen - Lewis"!!!!] know how go quickly and to win there.

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