Kimi's future - No racing in 2010?

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14th September 2009, 13:40
DexDexter

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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

Not a chance. He's phenomenal, but the cracks appear when his team mate starts to pressure him. Not a problem at Renault as he's Flavio's golden child: the likes of Trulli and Fisichella were kept in check, while if you believe PIquet Jnr his career was sabatoged. Renault - like Benetton before them - are a one-car team.

Partner Alonso with the Hamiltons or Raikkonens of this world, and it's a recipe for disaster.

I agree, Fred is an incredible driver but his mental side is weaker than Raikkonen's. Have you heard a single complaint from Kimi about his treatment at Ferrari? He's been criticized for a year now and still he has kept his calm. And he has made no excuses when he hasn't performed.
14th September 2009, 16:08
F1boat

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

I agree, Fred is an incredible driver but his mental side is weaker than Raikkonen's. Have you heard a single complaint from Kimi about his treatment at Ferrari? He's been criticized for a year now and still he has kept his calm. And he has made no excuses when he hasn't performed.

He has been very loyal for Ferrari and that's why I hope that they will keep him. If they drop him... Ferrari is Ferrari, I will always have a soft spot for them, but they will deserve to be beaten by Kimi, no matter whether he is driving McLaren, Renault or Brawn GP car.
But I continue to hope that he will drive for Ferrari :)
14th September 2009, 20:10
JRodrigues

ioan, can you please tell us once and for all that you are anti-Kimi and leave the topic please? You're getting ridiculous..
15th September 2009, 02:08
stevie_gerrard

I think his future at Ferrari is limited,despite his wonderful consistency at the moment. Its obvious that Ferrari don't want him, they want Massa and Alonso next season, with Fisi the reserve driver. They will be grateful for his great form this season after a torrid start, but i think they already committed way before this spurt from Kimi ever happened. Expect Kimi back in a Mclaren next season, you heard it here first ;)
15th September 2009, 03:00
jas123f1

Kimi is an honest guy and a top driver who all the time has made and make the best job he can.

In beginning of this year Massa said that now Ferrari is concentrating efforts to him.. and the team confirm that clearly (even to Kimi) giving Felipe the car number 3 – a year before Kimi hade the lower number. That was a bit unfair because Kimi was helping Massa 2008 and that make his own results a bit worse..

But ok – maybe it’s fair to give Massa a chance to the title – he is today a much better driver and been at Ferrari many years. So I think also Kimi accepted that Massa was - if not number one so anyway teams “the favourite to the title the driver”.

I wrote already when Kimi went to Ferrari – he is not good as the second driver and if he has the feeling of to be one - then he maybe work as a second driver.. Every one remember the situation Rubens was working with Schumi … Kimi is not Rubens.. Kimi must have the full support – then he is as the best.

2007 after that Massa didn’t have any more possibilities to the title and team gave 100% support to Kimi - he made really great job – taking the title .. but first after that Ferrari gave him a “Schumi support” – not before…

Drivers like Kimi and Alonso they don’t work very well if they feel that they have 90% of team mates support – because they are fighters.. I believe that if Alonso is coming in the team then he need 100% and the risk is that Massa will be as the second fiddler OR the “Alonso- Ferrari marriage” can be a short one - like McLaren.

I think that’s the reason why Kimi is so much better after Massas accident.. today Kimi feels that he has the team 100% behind him – and that gives him the extra spirit what every top driver need ..

However - so in my mind Ferrari has made wrong “politic” .. and therefore it’s unfair to kick any of drivers before their contract goes out. Alonso can wait to 2011 season ..

But if they kick Kimi - then i realy hope he goes back to McLaren and take the title 2010 ...
15th September 2009, 03:18
Saint Devote

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Originally Posted by ioan

He talked about that in one of his post accident interview. Apparently he was under huge pressure to perform at Sauber because he had not financial backer and was constantly threatened with losing his seat to drivers who had financial backing. So he thought his only alternative was to drive as fast as possible even though that meant he threw it away often.
IMO his tactics paid off when he managed to be Ferrari's test driver for 2003 and from that moment on with less financial related pressure on him he managed to improve his driving.

This all doesn't mean he wasn't erratic in his first years, it's just meant to explain why he didn't got the slow but sure route.

Massa actually broke the rules - he let rip at Maranello - he was limited to the speed he was allowed - and equalled Schumacher's lap times.

He was bored and frustrated with being a test driver and decided to try and change it. He succeeded.

But Todt did read him the riot act as well.....
15th September 2009, 03:27
Saint Devote

I do not think it is because of weakness he is strong mentally.

But the question is why favor Raikkonen over Massa? Because Massa is weak mentally and at their best Raikkonen has greater ability.

Can anyone doubt that Massa could not have done what Kimi did at Spa?

And at the end of the day there has never been doubt that Raikkonen can deliver a championship? He did.
15th September 2009, 08:57
ioan

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Originally Posted by jas123f1

In beginning of this year Massa said that now Ferrari is concentrating efforts to him..

A link to this claim would be appreciated.

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Originally Posted by jas123f1

...and the team confirm that clearly (even to Kimi) giving Felipe the car number 3 – a year before Kimi hade the lower number.

I don't know how you came to that conclusion but given that Felipe finished last season with more points than Kimi he got the lower number on the car, it really doesn't need a rocket scientist to figure this one out.
15th September 2009, 10:45
Garry Walker

Ferrari should stick with Kimi and Massa.
Kimi was better in 2007, Massa in 2008 and in 2009 they were equal. Just that Kimi had some misfortune of getting stuck behind slow cars in quite a few races and then Massa had his accident. Both have driven very well, considering by all admission that the Ferrari is a very tricky car to handle.
As admitted by Fisichella too.

I reckon they are both better drivers than the spanish primadonna.
15th September 2009, 11:52
DexDexter

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Ferrari should stick with Kimi and Massa.
Kimi was better in 2007, Massa in 2008 and in 2009 they were equal. Just that Kimi had some misfortune of getting stuck behind slow cars in quite a few races and then Massa had his accident. Both have driven very well, considering by all admission that the Ferrari is a very tricky car to handle.
As admitted by Fisichella too.

I reckon they are both better drivers than the spanish primadonna.

Kimi has said that he has had problems getting the Ferrari work in qualifying for the last three years, the whole time he's been at Ferrari. That's the only excuse he has made of 2008. It's bit weird how people here and in general thought that he wasn't as good or motivated as before. That wasn't the case, he just couldn't drive the car as he wanted to. Of course it's partially his responsibility to set the car to suit him but IMO Ferrari are also partly to blame for not being able to help to get the car setup the way he wants it. Still I don't want to take anything away from Massa, he is a very good driver indeed.

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