Breakaway series is go!

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Originally Posted by markabilly

monaco is the key, (along with some other great tracks like Monza and Spa and Silverstone) as when the CART bust up occurred, all the great teams and drivers went CART, but TG still had Indy.....

the real fans wanted the great teams and drivers, but sponsors and TV wanted Indy and its associated PR

so it is not nearly enough for the big eight to go, the tracks must be there

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Do you have a reading problem too?!
It's been mentioned endless times that Monaco will go where Ferrari goes. :rolleyes:

Also the other tracks have nothing to lose signing up with FOTA given that the fees will be less than half of what Bernie extorts.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Do you have a reading problem too?!
It's been mentioned endless times that Monaco will go where Ferrari goes. :rolleyes:

Also the other tracks have nothing to lose signing up with FOTA given that the fees will be less than half of what Bernie extorts.

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say it when they announce officially that monaco has signed on and cancelled with maxie

my deep down suspicion is that old maXie, who is a machevillian master, will figure out some way to conquer and divide as he did using Ferrari a few years ago, to drag the teams back in to the old corral.....I hope not, but.......... :(

TRACKS for me in addition to monaco:
Silverstone
Monza
Spa-Francorchamps
Suzuka
A1-Ring
Gilles Villeneuve
Nurburgring
Indianapolis
Laguana Seca
Sao Paulo
Hockenheim

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Originally Posted by markabilly

monaco is the key, (along with some other great tracks like Monza and Spa and Silverstone) as when the CART bust up occurred, all the great teams and drivers went CART, but TG still had Indy.....

the real fans wanted the great teams and drivers, but sponsors and TV wanted Indy and its associated PR

so it is not nearly enough for the big eight to go, the tracks must be there

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Yep, and it wasn't that long before the big teams jumped ship to the IRL and CART began its downward spiral.

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Originally Posted by Bruce D

Three things are running through my head now and I'd like to know what you guys think of it all:

1. TV Coverage - any TV company that runs F1 now will be blocked from showing the new breakaway series. Thats ok in some European countries and the USA that has millions of TV stations, but what about the rest. For example South Africa would lose out totally because its not soccer so ETV won't be interested and the SABC don't have the finances to buy the coverage. Supersport are the current F1 coverage people and they won't be able to cover the series. Now repeat that in a lot of countries, no doubt, and your fan base is instantly smaller. Look at how bad the worldwide coverage of A1GP is.

2. Any FIA sanctioned circuit will be blocked from hosting these races, which leaves where exactly to race? Forget Silverstone, etc. No circuit can survive on the takings from 1 race weekend in a year so they have to run smaller events as well, and if they can't run FIA events, who do they run? So no circuit will take the series with that hanging over their heads.

3. Any driver taking part in the series will be banned (possibly for life, like what happened with the cricket guys playing that non-ICC santioned Indian cricket league) from taking part in any FIA sanctioned event - so forget the likes of Bourdais racing at Le Mans for example. Can these drivers seriously depend on being in this racing series long enough to make enough money to not worry about being banned from racing afterwards?

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I disagree with your points completely.

TV rights - there would be contractual obligations for Bernie to provide a particular show, like he has with the tracks. If he can't provide that show then many of the TV contracts may be invalid.

Circuits - plenty host FIA sanctioned and unsanctioned races, Le Mans isn't FIA sanctioned for a start and that entire series runs at plenty of tracks that host FIA sanctioned events. Plus if the FIA tries to exclude tracks from having contracts with non-FIA formulae the EU monopolies commission may get interested.

3 - again anti-competitive authorities may take an interest in employees (which is what drivers are at the end of the day) being excluded from work because they happened to work for the 'wrong' company.

If FOTA do break away they hold some strong cards. Their biggest problem is time, do they have enough?

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Originally Posted by Mark

Yep, and it wasn't that long before the big teams jumped ship to the IRL and CART began its downward spiral.

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actually, my opinion is they both went down the toilet, but irl is still just stuck in the toilet like a stuck t**d, barely survivng on the danica sideshow

unfortunately it took down OW racing with it in the USA,

now nascar runs at Indy and draws close to the same number of people

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Originally Posted by markabilly

actually, my opinion is they both went down the toilet, but irl is still just stuck in the toilet like a stuck t**d, barely survivng on the danica sideshow

unfortunately it took down OW racing with it in the USA,

now nascar runs at Indy and draws close to the same number of people

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F1 doesn't really have a rival in Europe or the rest of the world in the same sense that Indy/CART did with NASCAR. There are lots of small rivals like GT racing, JGTC and WRC dotted around the world but I doubt any of them are capable of growing quickly enough to pose a threat to F1/FOTAF1.

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Originally Posted by markabilly

say it when they announce officially that monaco has signed on and cancelled with maxie

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There is nothing to cancel, they do not have a a contract with anyone.

Monaco is not a track - it consists of public roads. If Prince Rainier wants to run a second race on his roads there in a year, who is to stop him?

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Originally Posted by markabilly

actually, my opinion is they both went down the toilet, but irl is still just stuck in the toilet like a stuck t**d, barely survivng on the danica sideshow

unfortunately it took down OW racing with it in the USA,

now nascar runs at Indy and draws close to the same number of people

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Back in america the crowd and viewer base is very limited , that why both series could not gather enough share of viewer's

F1 viewership if very large and also about 90% of the viewer's are very pissed on MAX . so the series will suceed.

There are a lot of armchair lawyers crawling out of the woodwork recently :rolleyes: