It's time to screw Russia over

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

A civilized nation defends its people..

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I dont recall that we should have been attaced in long time, btw how many us planes has Mexico shot down because of same reasons, or even reported?

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Originally Posted by Tomi

I dont recall that we should have been attaced in long time, btw how many us planes has Mexico shot down because of same reasons, or even reported?

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I shudder at the thought of a Mexican combat helicopter crossing into the American border. The end result probably wouldn't be delightful. There hasn't been any incidents reported about American planes straying into Mexican airspace either.

Most air traffic is civilian. Also, the American and Mexican government have been known to share tactical information, via air reconnaisance, to tackle drug problems.

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

I shudder at the thought of a Mexican combat helicopter crossing into the American border. The end result probably wouldn't be delightful. There hasn't been any incidents reported about American planes straying into Mexican airspace either.

Most air traffic is civilian. Also, the American and Mexican government have been known to share tactical information, via air reconnaisance, to tackle drug problems.

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Here those happens usually in the Finnish gulf, where the airspace is very narrow, I think they cross often the Estonian airspace as well, but as I said earlier its common everywhere where the airspace is narrow, everyone does just not report the issues, but handle it the diplomatic way or have somekind of agreements, I dont think the Finnish people loose their sleep because of thiskind of things.

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Originally Posted by Tomi

Here those happens usually in the Finnish gulf, where the airspace is very narrow, I think they cross often the Estonian airspace as well, but as I said earlier its common everywhere where the airspace is narrow, everyone does just not report the issues, but handle it the diplomatic way or have somekind of agreements, I dont think the Finnish people loose their sleep because of thiskind of things.

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You're not understanding my point. Russia has recently cultivated enough power to have a few bargaining chips in the world. After going bankrupt, being humiliated and ransacked of its former nations that made up the Warsaw Pact, the Russians now feel obliged to stop the push of the West into Russia. Where is the initial resistance? Georgia.

Georgia is a nation that decided to stop separatists. Russia tried to do the same with Chechnya (yes, the irony). Now read this part of my argument very carefully: Georgia is a nation that is completely democratic and was within its own right to reclaim land it rightfully owns. No one should have played a role in this besides the unlawful separatists and the Georgian government. Russia overstepped its bounds by using military force to subjugate a neighboring nation for its own gain.

How does this relate to you? Well Finland and other Nordic nations are going to begin competing for oil resources against Russia (maybe this can make you lose some sleep). This means that tension may rise significantly in the near future. Therefore, putting on a strong face now may inhibit the Russians from further expansion of their little game of roulette.

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Originally Posted by ioan

It's always been like this. They chicken out and hope the USA comes to rescue. A few years after they just show the finger to the US and after a few more years the cycle starts again. Boring huh?

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Always, always, always....However Europe has a bit of history while USA is quite "young". On the other hand USA never come to rescue, they just follow their political and economic interests like any other powerful country.

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Originally Posted by gloomyDay

Being complacent about the Russians flying their helicopters over your border's is unbelievable. How about shooting their planes down? The Russians enter Finnish sovereign territory and all the Finn's can do is shake a finger at the Ruskies.

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Those who had the bad luck to share a border with russians use to be wise enough to avoid them. Even when they are "invited " they forget to leave ( see the Afghanistan episode ) :laugh:

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Originally Posted by gloomyDay

How can you say Russia has done nothing to Western Europe? The Ruskies are holding Western Europe hostage with their barrels of oil. Cut that bargaining chip immediately and watch them fall..

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Ha! That's what every normal country does on a free market economy. Aren't also a lot of undeveloped countries financially and economic dependant on western economies? What is Russia supposed to do? Ignore its main resource and do humanitarian acts? Like :come on, Europe, we have plenty of gas and it's for free!

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

Ha! That's what every normal country does on a free market economy. Aren't also a lot of undeveloped countries financially and economic dependant on western economies? What is Russia supposed to do? Ignore its main resource and do humanitarian acts? Like :come on, Europe, we have plenty of gas and it's for free!

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This is probably the reason why America went to war with Iraq. OPEC is a cartel that would just choke the United States out of its oil resources, so America just went out of its way to find some sludge. Was it unjust? Sure. Was it strategically beneficial to the sustenance of the American economy? Yes!

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

Was it unjust? Sure. Was it strategically beneficial to the sustenance of the American economy? Yes!

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Try telling that to the families and the loved ones of the 4,000 plus US servicemen killed, not to mention those that have been injured. :mad:

But hey, anything that makes the value of my Halliburton shares increase is good news to me. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Camelopard

Try telling that to the families and the loved ones of the 4,000 plus US servicemen killed, not to mention those that have been injured. :mad:

But hey, anything that makes the value of my Halliburton shares increase is good news to me. :rolleyes:

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Tough pill to swallow.

This why America is such a juggernaut. Callousness is an advantage.

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

How does this relate to you? Well Finland and other Nordic nations are going to begin competing for oil resources against Russia (maybe this can make you lose some sleep). This means that tension may rise significantly in the near future. Therefore, putting on a strong face now may inhibit the Russians from further expansion of their little game of roulette.

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Well, I belive we buy our oil just like before, just like most of the countries have to do, but I agree the tension will rise atleast for awhile.
What comes to Georgias democracy, I think we soon will see how it works, if it works, I think everyone can agree that Saakhasvili did a major missjudgement, that took his country in big problems, wonder what the opposition has to say about that.
Im more worried about some of theese former east-european EU member countries going behind EU's back to seek personal revenge by hinder desition making, and by that way making EU a hostage, there has been signs of that already.

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

This why America is such a juggernaut. Callousness is an advantage.

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Yep, your economy is a real juggernaut at the moment, going backwards :) . How many more banks will be bailed out by the federal reserve? How does that work in a capitalist free market society?
Sounds namby pamby leftest talk to me, should just let them die after all it is a business for them and if they make bad loans, tough titties?

What's the US current account deficit at the moment? How many more companies moving the labour intensive factories to Mexico? How's your balance of payments with the PRC at the moment, need I go on?