I agree with nafpactos. Motorsport is dangerous and everyone must keep that in mind, especially public for which this is just a "nice picnic". I hope all other injured spectators in Spain are going to be well and speedy recovery!
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I agree with nafpactos. Motorsport is dangerous and everyone must keep that in mind, especially public for which this is just a "nice picnic". I hope all other injured spectators in Spain are going to be well and speedy recovery!
It's likely to be a combination of all of them. Any loss of life in Motorsport is tragic - but it's somehow even worse when spectators are killed. Is it possible for events to ban spectators? In the UK organisers are clamping down on the areas were spectators can go; events are setting up spectator areas; and that is the only place they are allowed. Not popular with fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
What about drivers errors?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Drivers must have space for errors. It´s up to organizer to make up enough spectatorfree zones!
You can't blame a driver for 20 injured spectators, something is just not right....
And up to spectators to use their brain. Organizers can't be on every meter of the stage. We have more than enough experience here with it... :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Anyway the last to blame is the driver. He has a right to make mistake.
It's also true that asphalt rallying is a lot more dangerous than gravel but since most of the European roads are made of asphalt the accidents will always happen. That of course doesn't mean that nothing can be done to make the risk smaller.
My condolonces to all the family and friends of those involved. May the injured get well quick.
By the video it was quite an unusual place, very unfortunate :(.
https://youtu.be/S2IE9LuGdLU
R.I.P.
Condolences to the families and a healthy recovery for the injured and the unfortunate crew.
I did not say it was a pilot fault . Now driver´s errors are also part of the equation like technical failures.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Tarmac and drivers trusting their tires. Has to be the main thing..
Grippy grippy tires and so any fool who can afford a car and piles of brand new soft compound tires can corner at very high speeds. The maybe somebody has flicked the ash from 1 cigarette in a braking zone or mid corner..and the next guy loses grip and crashes.. Once the tires SNAP loose, very little time/chance to catch the car....and if there's lots of people the chance for a horrible result is high..
On gravel we don't "count on" tons of grip....if you have it,. OK, cool but if we don't have lots of grip---that's normal..
Tarmac --all forms, bikes ovals, Eff Juan, whatever on tarmac, they "expect" grip...
Expect the unexpected..
Make the tires "gentler" when they let go--and let go at much lower levels of force on them..
Then the cars on tarmac would look like they're on gravel, and it might be worth watching--and probably safer in the long term.
Skoda Rallye Liezen 2015 final results:
01. Raimund Baumschlager/Thomas Zeltner, ŠKODA Fabia R5, 1:23:01,3 Std.
02. Gerwald Grössing/Sigi Schwarz, Ford Fiesta R5, + 1:29,6 Min.
03. Norbert Herczig/Janek Czako, ŠKODA Fabia R5, + 1:53,9
04. Maximilian Koch/Lisa Brunthaler, ŠKODA Fabia S2000, + 4:42,7
05. Dominik Dinkel/Pirmin Winklhofer, Opel Adam R2, + 9:25,1
06. Günther Knobloch/Jürgen Rausch, Citroen DS3 R3 MAX, + 9:49,3
07. Willi Stengg/Jürgen Klinger, Opel Adam R2, + 10:26,2
08. Gernot Zeiringer/Martin Pucher, Peugeot 208 R2, + 11:09,2
09. Reini Sampl/Bernhard Ettel, Audi TTS quattro, + 11:21,2
10. Christoph Lieb/Catharina Schmid, Opel Corsa OPC, + 12:57,3
Gallery: http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_best...ezen_2015.html
http://www.ir7.at/li15.jpg
Video - 12 min: https://vimeo.com/138444165
It's difficult to give one single reason to the A Coruña rally, mainly because the accident can't be explained with one reason. It's a mix of many reasons, starting with the public location. So sad to comment that I have no words to describe the way I feel.
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There were other rallys in Spain this weekend. The most important was in Cervera, as it was the fifth round of the Gravel Champ. The finaly victory was for the former spanish champion, Amador Vidal, with his VW Proto. Second was Jorge del Cid (Evo X) and third was Alex Villanueva (Evo X) who has built up his speed last years in France Gravel Champ.
On the first stages Xevi Pons was leading the rally with his Ford Fiesta R5 from Bernini Rally. Pons was returning to the competition after a long period of resting due to back injuries. At we could see in Cervera he continues to have speed and gravel skills. A technical problem ruined his rally.
The next leader was Nani Roma who had to retire after engine problems in his Mini Cooper Proto. Then, Vidal took the lead and won the rally.
I'm open to any questions about the rally as I was there.
Any? OK a general question, maybe its cultural> I get a feeling most Spanish rally is asfalto and that gravel or tierra is maybe second place status soQuote:
Originally Posted by CivEngine
is this true?
And if true, why?
I have the feeling also that maybe there simply isn't enough good gravel roads in Spain to cover all regions...but I haven't been to the inside of Spain...
Really too bad about the accident. Big news also here in the Netherlands, all over the news, this morning on the radio also about the 7th victim.
Anyway, when you watch the Bunnings videos of the rallies there, I have to admit it always looks like all the drivers have a big heart, but unfortunately the safety isn't great at all right?
Nice surpise: Hans Weijs jr. will drive his own, recently bought Fiesta R5 at the Hellendoorn Rally in the Netherlands. :)
Good to see him competing again, after he quit his South African campaign.
This weekend the 4.rally for Slovenian championship (and also valid for Mitropa), Rally Nova Gorica.
Special guest on the entry list, Umberto Scandola. I guess this is a ''penalty'' participation for Umberto, as he didn't succeed to drive more than three stages on previous two events in Italy. But for us is a great honour to have such exceptional driver with the best R5 car in the world.
http://www.rally-novagorica.si/Pravi...art%20list.pdf
Not worthy of mentioning, that he is favourite Nb.1 .......
Rally Tríbeč, Slovakia, is canceled due to organization issues.
Rally SLIVEN 2015 HOT moments & mistakes - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW2oRSghjr4
http://s5.postimg.org/h2wsk16iv/rsl.jpg
New link - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTU-S43bxH0
Rally Nova Gorica, as expected an easy win for Italian rally star Umberto Scandola. I was surprised that Gassner senior was faster than his son. Fastest slovenian driver Rok Turk with P208R2 (this is reality in our championship), and one huge accident from driver of MG (fortunately no one was hurt) due to ''lost brakes'' (he tryed to save situation with hand brake):
Watch at 15:05 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWuGJkaniyI
And a short clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAxvnAnBxcM
Hellendoorn Rally 2015 DAY 1 (With BIG moment Kobus, Skoda Fabia R5)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g87xSGqyj7c
Gallery Austrian Rallye Legends 2015:
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_best...ends_2015.html
http://www.ir7.at/arl15.jpg
Hellendoorn Rally 2015 (NL)
Rally won by Dennis Kuipers (Ford Fiesta RS WRC)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZXDA7k4hr8
My photos of Hellendoorn Rally are online too. It was pretty boring the 2 days, hardly any serious battles and only a few guys were pushing unfortunately!
http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2015...y/10027373.jpg
http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2015...y/39515208.jpg
http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2015...y/46961266.jpg
http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2015...y/51161375.jpg
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2015 German Championship Round 8/10
Results Rally Litermont
1 SUNINEN, T. / MARKKULA, M.
Skoda Fabia S2000
1:14:10.5
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3te..._55fdc3beb.jpg
2 GAßNER, H. / THANNHÄUSER, K.
Mitsubishi Evo VIII
+01:44.0
3 ZELTNER, R.
ZELTNER, P.
Porsche 997 GT3
+01:55.2
4 KREIM, F. / CHRISTIAN, F.
Skoda Fabia R5
+04:49.5
5 RIEBENSAHM, D. / RATH, A.
Peugeot 208 T16 R5
+05:37.5
GRC standings:
1. Zeltner 171; 2. Wallenwein 129; 3. Kreim 123; 4. Corazza 80; 5. Mohe 75
Video Austrian Rallye Legends 2015:
https://vimeo.com/139845394
http://www.ir7.at/arl15vid.jpg
CWJ, can You give a short summary what happened during the rally? Especially what happened to Wallenwein and Kreim? I saw some video of many offs where it looked like Wallenwein's steering rod broke (at least there was very quick sudden strange move of left front wheel)...
what about Weijs?
Quite impressive to stay in front of Van Loon's S14 WRC. He also schooled Kobus, I don't know if he had problems of some kind but he was quite far behind.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Real rally conditions with darkness, mud, gravel and a lot of sudden rain. Kreim went off in the lead after loosing the car on a fast crest in stage 4 where he lost 6 minutes. Apart from that he won 13/14 stages. Yes Wallenwein broke the steering rod and got no spare from BRR neither :( Ramonat broken gearbox. Riebensahm in a ROMO 208 T16 R5 stopped after last stage on the way back to service.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Full results http://znts.de/zeitnahme/lives/266/l...bnis_adac.html
Pictures http://www.rallye-magazin.de/index.php?id=2838
Danke
Weijs looked really good indeed. Weak performance of Kobus, but I also heard something about him being ill.
Also a bad performance of Bob de Jong, can't see him pushing the DS3 to its limits soon, looks so slow.
Some more footage of this muddy rally: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McEkD3as67cQuote:
Originally Posted by MartijnS
http://i59.tinypic.com/rcvkgg.jpg
Slovak ASN confirmed officially disqualification of Grzyb from Rally Košice. Melichárek is new Slovak champion.
Why he was disqualified?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
There was non-homologated ride-height-control device on the rear axle. The system looked similar to those of works M-Sport cars but wasn't completely same.
In Austria all top drivers - even Baumschlager gave his OK - want actual WRC-cars to be allowed in Austrian championship.
Tänak will be competing at Saaremaa rally next month with a RWD Toyota Starlet. Will be interesting.
Hard crashes included. Tartu ralli 2015, Estonia. KKSF HD video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2aNby9NKFU