The Ferrari thread !

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Whats worse than surgery that involves removing sections of your scalp?

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Being struck under the left eye by a 90mph fastball that broke my cheekbone from the orbit of my eye all the way to my front teeth giving me double vision for 6 months.
Oh yes and breaking my nose, which the doctors didn't realize for several days as in the early 1970's MRI's were not commonly used and my face was swollen beyond recognition. Two plastic surgeries and permanent nerve damage. What was really special was being conscious while the physician shoved a pair of forceps into my nose and listening to the cartilage crack and crunch as it was being reset.
They were very similar to these:

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...ukXYw9oNLLBGu8

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Originally Posted by Tazio

Being struck under the right eye by a 90mph fastball that broke my cheekbone from the orbit of my eye all the way to my front teeth giving me double vision for 6 months.
Oh yes and breaking my nose, which the doctors didn't realize for several days as in the early 1970's MRI's were not commonly used and my face was swollen beyond recognition. Two plastic surgeries and permanent nerve damage. What was really special was being conscious while the physician shoved a pair of forceps into my nose and listening to the cartilage crack and crunch as it was being reset.

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Yikes, that's not good. :eek:

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Yikes, that's not good. :eek:

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BTW It is the left :crazy: and I didn't get over it for many years ;)

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Originally Posted by henners88

Thats why I find it confusing when people say "this is the way its always been at Ferrari". We had 3 season's where the drivers seemed to be allowed to challenge each other to a point in the season until only one was mathematically capable of winning the championship. Massa supported Kimi in the closing stages of 2007, and Kimi repaid the favour in 2008. I don't remember a driver being told to move over so early in a season, and the French GP example you give highlights that fact.

Theres nothing wrong with choosing one driver so early on, but IMO it limits the chances of winning the WDC when that support role is not going according to plan. Red Bull and Mclaren openly allow teammates to compete to the last and that maybe why we have seen such exciting team battles so far this season. Ferrari playing the team game is why F1 experienced such a drop in popularity at the beginning of the decade, although I'm sure it was exciting for the supporters who watched their driver win nearly every weekend. Winning isn't the issue though, and on a bright side its nice to see a team like Ferrari doing it differently. At least if Fernando is out of the hunt in future season's we'll know a Ferrari is definately out of the title chase. :)

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I don't understand why the drivers' title in itself is so important that one artificially has to alter race results. Isn't it enough if Ferraris (or other teams, it's not only Ferrari) are winning races all the time, who cares if they lose the drivers' championship or not. They're all in the sport for marketing reasons and team orders create negative publicity.

OK as for Ferrari strategy this weekend.
I'm wondering if Fred is really going to go balls out in a wet quali. If he stays on the edge he stands a reasonable chance of getting the poll.
If he bins it or finnishes down the grid he gets his new engine.

(That's considering if the cheats haven't already changed out Felipe's with one of his) :)

:s ailor: Thoughts?

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Originally Posted by henners88

I'm open to objectivity, and as far as I am aware everything in my post regarding Spygate was substantially backed up.

1. There is no proof to suggest Ron knew members of his team were engaging in criminal activity, and the fact he informed the FIA backs this up.
2. There is no proof to suggest LH had read the 780 page document as you suggested, and being a rookie I doubt he would understand the technical contect anyway. He was also cleared at the trial.
3. Alonso was proven to have used that data in his possession, and there is nothing to suggest he was asked to use it against his will. Quite the opposite when the email transcripts show him asking questions on the reliability of the source.

Thats 3 factual points which were touched on earlier and no longer relevant in this context. Fernando is still as guilty as any member of the Mclaren team to this day, and thats end of story. Fernando is taking on a new challenge and Mclaren and himself should be allowed to continue without this tripe being constantly dragged up IMO. :)

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I am sure you are referring to SGWilko since he is the one who first posted this:
"What I am now convinced of, is that there was a lot of behind the scenes shenanigans orchestrated by Alonso during his short stay at McLaren."

As far as I am concerned I have moved on. However there are still people (see above) who are unwilling to and lose their sleep over it. These people revisit any issue they can think, no matter how old the issue is for the only purpose to continue with the Ferrari bashing. If you dont like the Ferrari fans defend teh facts then let's talk about something that relates more with the present champioship. McLaren, RD and LH are not saints. Everyone knows that.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Thats why I find it confusing when people say "this is the way its always been at Ferrari". We had 3 season's where the drivers seemed to be allowed to challenge each other to a point in the season until only one was mathematically capable of winning the championship. Massa supported Kimi in the closing stages of 2007, and Kimi repaid the favour in 2008. I don't remember a driver being told to move over so early in a season, and the French GP example you give highlights that fact.

Theres nothing wrong with choosing one driver so early on, but IMO it limits the chances of winning the WDC when that support role is not going according to plan. Red Bull and Mclaren openly allow teammates to compete to the last and that maybe why we have seen such exciting team battles so far this season. Ferrari playing the team game is why F1 experienced such a drop in popularity at the beginning of the decade, although I'm sure it was exciting for the supporters who watched their driver win nearly every weekend. Winning isn't the issue though, and on a bright side its nice to see a team like Ferrari doing it differently. At least if Fernando is out of the hunt in future season's we'll know a Ferrari is definately out of the title chase. :)

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I don't know if Webber agrees with you. If I recall correctly he thought a couple races ago otherwise. As McLaren and LH are concerned I have my reserves about about JB having a fair shot at the championship.

:s ailor: Oh Joy !!
The video edit from Singapore is now on Formula 1.com

http://www.formula1.com/video/race_edits.html

"Felipe is and will always stay a number one driver for Ferrari," di Montezemolo told the official Ferrari website.

Monte talking rubbish once again.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/87218

Also, some nonsense of Alonso and Massa fighting equally next year.

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

"Felipe is and will always stay a number one driver for Ferrari," di Montezemolo told the official Ferrari website.

Monte talking rubbish once again.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/87218

Also, some nonsense of Alonso and Massa fighting equally next year.

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I would agree with you. Once Ferrari finds the winning horse, they put all their money on him. I am puzzled as someone raised this point earlier on by what happened in Ferrari when Kimi was there. It's not part of their racing philosophy to have two running horses in their team. They usually start the championship whith one first pilot, as shallow as it may be. Fair or not to the other pilot their strategy has paid over the years very well. They are not in the business to make pilots famous. These people get hired to work for Ferrari. They get paid really well but in the end they have to make Ferrari the winner. End of the story. If they don't like it they can always go racing somewhere else.