Mobile phones & tablets thread

The problem for current iPhone owners is that it is worse. Because none of your current chargers will work. I have 5 that I can think of.

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Originally Posted by henners88

In that case Nokia and Microsoft have nothing to worry about. The Lumia will replace the iPhone as most iconic and desired phone and Apple will walk away and lick their wounds. Time will tell of course, but I don't think its a disappointment to be quite honest. I liked the 4S and this appears to be an improved version with a bigger screen. Its not got worse so its still desirable to me. :)

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Thing is henners, you know that's not going to happen, you're very aware of the fact that Apple could have launched something virtually identical to the 4s and people would have still bought millions of them due to just being plain ignorant and fanboyish. Specs and quality have little to do with it these days. An iPhone for most people carries an aura with it and that's enough for most people. I'm under no illusions that Nokia's Windows Phone lineup will outsell the iPhone 5, but objectively you'll be getting more for your money and you'll be getting something more futureproof. But Apple are all for planned obselescence anyway.....

I wouldn't say that. After all Apple have only just stopped selling the 3GS which came out in 2009. Yet it is still getting iOS 6. As a 4S owner I can expect OS upgrades for a long time yet.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Thing is henners, you know that's not going to happen, you're very aware of the fact that Apple could have launched something virtually identical to the 4s and people would have still bought millions of them due to just being plain ignorant and fanboyish. Specs and quality have little to do with it these days. An iPhone for most people carries an aura with it and that's enough for most people. I'm under no illusions that Nokia's Windows Phone lineup will outsell the iPhone 5, but objectively you'll be getting more for your money and you'll be getting something more futureproof. But Apple are all for planned obselescence anyway.....

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Most people who buy smartphones of any sort are ignorant so I don't understand why Apple purchasers are any different. I have been a loyal Android user but I'll happily admit I am ignorant as to how my phone or OS really stacks up against its direct rivals or what features it has. I don't think most aspects of the technical specs are important to attract 90% of customers except screensize/resolution, memory size and camera resolution. The most important aspect are about branding, looks and price. Cost is ultimately why Android outsells Apple, the handsets and contracts are cheaper. Talk about profitability though and Apple wins hands down.

This new iPhone is clearly nothing special and leaves a lot of room for the iPhone 5S to improve on. I do think its a dangerous move for Apple as I can see this phone becoming obsolete on the technical front very quickly and there is nothing that (to my untrained eyes) is interesting or is a new USP.

The Apple brand is probably strong enough to survive one or two damp squibs like this but the followup had better be eyepoppingly advanced if it is to retain market share IMO. Thats the problem that comes with being the market leader in terms of individual phone manufacturers.

I suspect that Apple have performed a lot of market research that tells them that people value the Apple brand for things like user friendliness, seamless integration between soft and hardware and style rather than pure technical superiority and gadgetry which is why the iPhone 5 is disappointing on the technical front. However such an approach is unlikely to win them many conquest sales from Android especially if they also don't add a cheaper option to their iPhone range. I find that omission the biggest missing factor in the Apple range, when they released the flagship iPod they quickly added less capable but much cheaper versions which sold very well, surely the same business model has potential for the iPhone.

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Originally Posted by Mark

The problem for current iPhone owners is that it is worse. Because none of your current chargers will work. I have 5 that I can think of.

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Well, you can either buy 5 adaptors at £25 each :)

Lightning to 30-pin Adapter - Apple Store (UK)

Rather a sleek and elegant solution don't you think?

*Video out and iPod out not supported *snigger*

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Originally Posted by Malbec

Most people who buy smartphones of any sort are ignorant so I don't understand why Apple purchasers are any different. I have been a loyal Android user but I'll happily admit I am ignorant as to how my phone or OS really stacks up against its direct rivals or what features it has. I don't think most aspects of the technical specs are important to attract 90% of customers except screensize/resolution, memory size and camera resolution. The most important aspect are about branding, looks and price. Cost is ultimately why Android outsells Apple, the handsets and contracts are cheaper. Talk about profitability though and Apple wins hands down.

This new iPhone is clearly nothing special and leaves a lot of room for the iPhone 5S to improve on. I do think its a dangerous move for Apple as I can see this phone becoming obsolete on the technical front very quickly and there is nothing that (to my untrained eyes) is interesting or is a new USP.

The Apple brand is probably strong enough to survive one or two damp squibs like this but the followup had better be eyepoppingly advanced if it is to retain market share IMO. Thats the problem that comes with being the market leader in terms of individual phone manufacturers.

I suspect that Apple have performed a lot of market research that tells them that people value the Apple brand for things like user friendliness, seamless integration between soft and hardware and style rather than pure technical superiority and gadgetry which is why the iPhone 5 is disappointing on the technical front. However such an approach is unlikely to win them many conquest sales from Android especially if they also don't add a cheaper option to their iPhone range. I find that omission the biggest missing factor in the Apple range, when they released the flagship iPod they quickly added less capable but much cheaper versions which sold very well, surely the same business model has potential for the iPhone.

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There's ignorant and paying over the odds then there's ignorant and buying something which suits your needs and which is quite cheap :)

As a former disappointed Android user I have no desire to go back to it, getting an iPhone was one of the best decisions I've ever made! After buying quite a few apps, it would mean hassle and expense switching away again which is another reason to stick with it.

Can't think what else I would need in a phone TBH :)

Daniel I'm curious. On another thread you linked Apple to deaths at Foxconn and said that they were responsible. Yet you're touting Nokias as being a suitable alternative. These are also made by Foxconn. Are you not concerned about Nokia's manufacturing ethics?

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Originally Posted by J4MIE

As a former disappointed Android user I have no desire to go back to it, getting an iPhone was one of the best decisions I've ever made! After buying quite a few apps, it would mean hassle and expense switching away again which is another reason to stick with it.

Can't think what else I would need in a phone TBH :)

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I have to say that if the iPhone is reasonably priced I will be tempted to dump Android for it regardless of the spec purely based on the stability of the device. I will also be looking at Windows based phones but they are going to have to be very very good to stop me switching.

As I am not far into a 24 month contract I would have to buy an unlocked one - £529 for 16Gb, £629 for 32Gb and £699 for 64Gb apparently. Even so, after my relocation with work I may still be tempted.