The Ferrari thread !

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Originally Posted by Dave B

The big difference, though, is that team orders never used to be illegal. Ferrari chose to make Schumacher their number one, drivers like Irvine and Barrichello knew the score in advance. Now Massa, bless him, beleives he has equality when it's plain for the world to see that he does not.

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Barrichello has often claimed that it wasn't written in his contract that he was a #2 and hence he felt kinda reluctant, when he was asked to move over in the interest of the championship. Like Massa now.

It was a different story with Irvine - he had a clear contract with #2 written in it and was helping Schumacher as much as possible with great pleasure, having little ambitions by himself. Back in the day it looked like he was taking being a No.2 driver and as a result creating headaches to rival team drivers as part of fun and his life motto. :p :

I remember Rubens saying when he first went to Ferrari:

" I am not the number 2 driver, just 1B" :dozey:

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Originally Posted by henners88

Interesting I had no idea Lewis had been accused and caught more than on one occasion. Please could you list the other occasions when Lewis had been caught cheating and not punished. :confused:

Hmmm. *Scratches chin*

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I did not write LH was not punished. I wrote "barely punished".

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Originally Posted by henners88

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle2454154.ece
Using data obtained through theft is pretty serious and it may be a shock to you, but it was proven that he had this data, for which he stood on the witness stand and admitted it!. FACT. Ron Dennis having knowledge of his teams deceit is not fact, yet you are happy to pass it off as just that to support your incredibly biased bashing, Pathetic. Its on record my friend of what Fernando's involvement in that sorry sag but there is no proof to support Ron's involvement at all.. :rolleyes:

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Everyone was implicated at McLaren. But it does not mean guilty. That's why he nor LH did not get punished

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Originally Posted by henners88

What makes me laugh is Ferrari fans still having a cheap dig about Spygate, yet are happy to support one of the main suspects in that sorry case who now happens to be Ferrari's number one driver. Wake up :D

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What makes me laugh instead is having to constantly read inaccurate and false accusations against Ferrari just for the fun of it and as for the cheap digs I don't see why they should be only one sided.

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Originally Posted by Roamy

You obviously assume that Alonso could not have passed him. I wouldn't bet on that.

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:rotflmao:
Alonso needed to have Massa lower his cars RPMs to even be as quick as Felipe, he would never have overtaken him

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Originally Posted by Dave B

Now Massa, bless him, beleives he has equality when it's plain for the world to see that he does not.

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That's where I have a great deal of sympathy for Massa. He is very much a Ferrari man but there was a time not so long ago when he was seen as a match for Schumacher and was so very nearly a WDC winner. He effectively saw off Raikkonen and, until his accident, Ferrari's was his to lead into 2010.

Now things look very different for Felipe. Perhaps his accident has had an effect and he's not quite the driver he once was, or perhaps he's just had one of those seasons where things haven't gone his way and he'll be back in 2011.

Sadly I think that's unlikely. Ferrari is now firmly in the grip of Alonso who appears to be a driver who needs and expects a team to be in his corner at all times. He had that at Renault with Briatore, but he was misguided when he went to McLaren thinking he would have that same status. Now he's #1 again. Good luck to him. Demanding that kind of position and getting it is something most drivers would probably want, whether they'd admit it or not. Was it Gerhard Berger who said the ideal team mate was someone slower than you?!!

Now Felipe's choice seems to be to stay at Ferrari in a supporting role, or move elsewhere. The rumour about him going to Sauber has proved to be unfounded, and it's hard to see what other options he may have.

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Originally Posted by henners88

OK, could you list the other ocassions where he was caught cheating and barely punished apart from the one we all know about?

Alonso and Pedro DLR were more guilty than most as they were actively discussing the data through emails and Alonso was very keen to know weight distributions, and if the information was reliable. LH was found not guilty because it was comfirmed that he had no knowledge of the data's existance. Its also unclear whether Ron had any idea his team were using stolen data and the only sources that say he did are forums. lol

Alonso was a major suspect in Spygate, he also used what he aquired, so lets please draw a line under it, because its very hypocritical to continue bashing Mclaren for this sorry saga and then openly turn a blind eye to someone who now happens to drive for one's favourite team.

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Do you even read what you write? I suspected you of some objectivity but I was dead wrong.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

That's where I have a great deal of sympathy for Massa. He is very much a Ferrari man but there was a time not so long ago when he was seen as a match for Schumacher and was so very nearly a WDC winner. He effectively saw off Raikkonen and, until his accident, Ferrari's was his to lead into 2010.

Now things look very different for Felipe. Perhaps his accident has had an effect and he's not quite the driver he once was, or perhaps he's just had one of those seasons where things haven't gone his way and he'll be back in 2011.

Sadly I think that's unlikely. Ferrari is now firmly in the grip of Alonso who appears to be a driver who needs and expects a team to be in his corner at all times. He had that at Renault with Briatore, but he was misguided when he went to McLaren thinking he would have that same status. Now he's #1 again. Good luck to him. Demanding that kind of position and getting it is something most drivers would probably want, whether they'd admit it or not. Was it Gerhard Berger who said the ideal team mate was someone slower than you?!!

Now Felipe's choice seems to be to stay at Ferrari in a supporting role, or move elsewhere. The rumour about him going to Sauber has proved to be unfounded, and it's hard to see what other options he may have.

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Sadly I think you're correct.

Massa is a fine driver. He is also a proud and spirited. He is driving for the perfect team with one small problem......

He must feel like he's stuck in a nightmare

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Originally Posted by skc

Sadly I think you're correct.

Massa is a fine driver. He is also a proud and spirited. He is driving for the perfect team with one small problem......

He must feel like he's stuck in a nightmare

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I knew this was coming and interestingly, I think the one man Massa misses is Kimi. He probably didn't realise at the time how fair a team mate Kimi was, never demanding special treatment, even as the defending WDC. A good example of that was France 2008, Kimi had a broken exhaust and was slower than Felipe who was allowed to pass him and they finished one two. I don't think that would be allowed to happen now, Massa would just follow his leader.

Anyway, Ferrari's current strategy seems to be working so there is nothing Felipe can do about it except walk away...

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

That's where I have a great deal of sympathy for Massa. He is very much a Ferrari man but there was a time not so long ago when he was seen as a match for Schumacher and was so very nearly a WDC winner. He effectively saw off Raikkonen and, until his accident, Ferrari's was his to lead into 2010.

Now things look very different for Felipe. Perhaps his accident has had an effect and he's not quite the driver he once was, or perhaps he's just had one of those seasons where things haven't gone his way and he'll be back in 2011.

Sadly I think that's unlikely. Ferrari is now firmly in the grip of Alonso who appears to be a driver who needs and expects a team to be in his corner at all times. He had that at Renault with Briatore, but he was misguided when he went to McLaren thinking he would have that same status. Now he's #1 again. Good luck to him. Demanding that kind of position and getting it is something most drivers would probably want, whether they'd admit it or not. Was it Gerhard Berger who said the ideal team mate was someone slower than you?!!

Now Felipe's choice seems to be to stay at Ferrari in a supporting role, or move elsewhere. The rumour about him going to Sauber has proved to be unfounded, and it's hard to see what other options he may have.

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Be it as it may, Fred proved that he can win in the second fastest car without a wingman. Felipe needs to find some speed. That excuse about the injury is lame. I had an injury playing sports that was very similar to Felipe’s only worse. You either get over it or you don't. He is over it. He is just not on the same level as Fred. He needs to start picking up some points toward the WCC, which I'm sure he will.

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Originally Posted by Tazio

Be it as it may, Fred proved that he can win in the second fastest car without a wingman. Felipe needs to find some speed. That excuse about the injury is lame. I had an injury playing sports that was very similar to Felipe’s only worse. You either get over it or you don't. He is over it. He is just not on the same level as Fred. He needs to start picking up some points toward the WCC, which I'm sure he will.

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