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7th February 2012, 15:15
JAM

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

BMW seems maybe not had that.

Seems that they hadn't in fact, but neither Prodrive had it. Maybe because things are not so easy as you try to put them.

An usual Plan B is pull out. But i imagine what should be the reactions if BMW would have decided to pull out of WRC yesterday, and probably the costs too.
7th February 2012, 15:56
Mise

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Originally Posted by PLuto

Why Peugeot pulled the plug? Because they have seen that they have no chance against Audi, so better for them will be to leave circuits and work on their return to rally...

better for us fans too
7th February 2012, 16:32
Rallyper

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Originally Posted by JAM

Seems that they hadn't in fact, but neither Prodrive had it. Maybe because things are not so easy as you try to put them.

An usual Plan B is pull out. But i imagine what should be the reactions if BMW would have decided to pull out of WRC yesterday, and probably the costs too.

I don´t agree at all. Plan B should be something else than just pull out. That´s to digital behavour not worthy a big company who had invested money. They have to make up their mind and think what´s best in this new situation.

And a matter of fact is that I think BMW just did. We don´t know everything in this story yet.
7th February 2012, 17:17
bluuford

Today I did some skiing and I was thinking about this BMW press release during the whole 21 km. So, and 2 km before the end I undrestood what is going on.

FIA wanted Mini to do all 13rounds. Prodrive did not had money to do so and FIA was not happy. You are not allowed to homologate new parts when you are not registered as a full Manufacturer and you are not doing all 13 rounds (less rounds are allowed during the first year only). So, finally, BMW found the solution that AA and PN are both doing the full season. So, they got an agreement form FIA that AA and PN will be registered as one team and therefore they meet the minimal requirement to do all rounds with two cars.

Prodrive does not need to take part in all rounds now and then they can use this saved money (by missing some long haul events) for the development of the car. I assume that they still get some money from BMW for development

Finally, signature must be written by BMW, so the German company has full control on all kind of homologations and maybe they can aquire intellectual rights for those new parts as well. How? Maybe their investments depend on the number of homologated parts and basically they buy the rights of those new parts? So, basically, BMW does not need to invest more money than they wanted and they invest only in development not running the car.

They can continue development and when the promotion situation is cleared then it is much easier to join the seires with full backing and competitive car (when they own all rights etc, then they can easily bring the development inhouse).

So, what Prodrive gains? Their engineers get paid for innovation and they can demonstrate and test those parts on their team. At the same time they can earn some money by building renting the cars to customers.
7th February 2012, 18:17
bt52b

Now will Sordo have to park for 20mins so the works team can sore better points?

Shows how farcial the WRC and many of the FIA championship rules are, the manufacturer team #1 won't let team #2 have a better finish.

What happens if Prodrive pick up some sponsorship for the second half of he year, will BMW allow Prodrive to beat the 'works' Mini team?
7th February 2012, 20:19
dimviii

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

You mean it went wrong when PD didn´t get the funding for two driver over the whole year? If BMW decided to support PD in the beginning they must have thought out what could go wrong in the first place. Every big company with brain must have a plan B and also C from the beginning. BMW seems maybe not had that.

If you decide you have to fulfill, because else they loose so much goodwill. And I think they now already had at least if they don´t support the whole project in the future meaning 3-5 year plan.

very well said mate.
7th February 2012, 20:29
Barreis

So Araujo and Nobre has money for full season and Prodrive hasn't?! Oh, yeah...
7th February 2012, 21:21
A.F.F.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluuford

Today I did some skiing and I was thinking about this BMW press release during the whole 21 km. So, and 2 km before the end I undrestood what is going on.

FIA wanted Mini to do all 13rounds. Prodrive did not had money to do so and FIA was not happy. You are not allowed to homologate new parts when you are not registered as a full Manufacturer and you are not doing all 13 rounds (less rounds are allowed during the first year only). So, finally, BMW found the solution that AA and PN are both doing the full season. So, they got an agreement form FIA that AA and PN will be registered as one team and therefore they meet the minimal requirement to do all rounds with two cars.

Prodrive does not need to take part in all rounds now and then they can use this saved money (by missing some long haul events) for the development of the car. I assume that they still get some money from BMW for development

Finally, signature must be written by BMW, so the German company has full control on all kind of homologations and maybe they can aquire intellectual rights for those new parts as well. How? Maybe their investments depend on the number of homologated parts and basically they buy the rights of those new parts? So, basically, BMW does not need to invest more money than they wanted and they invest only in development not running the car.

They can continue development and when the promotion situation is cleared then it is much easier to join the seires with full backing and competitive car (when they own all rights etc, then they can easily bring the development inhouse).

So, what Prodrive gains? Their engineers get paid for innovation and they can demonstrate and test those parts on their team. At the same time they can earn some money by building renting the cars to customers.

You get my vote !!!
7th February 2012, 21:43
Plan9

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Originally Posted by bt52b

Now will Sordo have to park for 20mins so the works team can sore better points?

Shows how farcial the WRC and many of the FIA championship rules are, the manufacturer team #1 won't let team #2 have a better finish.

What happens if Prodrive pick up some sponsorship for the second half of he year, will BMW allow Prodrive to beat the 'works' Mini team?

Yes hysterical isn't it?

I mean how can you rationalize that a team made up of AA and PN will be a better long term for financial and results than Sordo and Meeke. Absolutely INSANE!
7th February 2012, 22:03
Andre Oliveira

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Originally Posted by Barreis

So Araujo and Nobre has money for full season and Prodrive hasn't?! Oh, yeah...

No. Araújo has big difficults to have money for the whole season. He lost sponsors this year.

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